00:00 - Chase (Host)

The following is an Operation Podcast production.

00:03 - Carl (Guest)

I just want to make it easy for people to understand the gateway to lifestyle transformation that from maybe 21 days or 30 days or 60 days or 90 days, they're going to get a predictable outcome that we've tested and proven and they're going to go oh my gosh, I can do it. And this is all science, statistical, proven research that people who exercise have a 50% less chance of, or reduce their risk of, early death. By 50%. People who exercise reduce their likelihood of heart disease by 35%. Number one killer People who exercise regularly reduce their risk of type 2 diabetes by 35%. People who exercise can reverse or reduce their mild to moderate depression and anxiety better than with antidepressant medications. So my point is this it's irrefutable that before the prescriptions get a subscription to something.

01:18

Hey, I'm Carl Deichler, ceo and co-founder of Body, formerly the Beachbody Company, and I'm inviting you to listen to this podcast because this one's going to be a little bit different, because we're going to ask people to share this podcast, because what we're trying to do is help some people get started. That's what's different here today is this is an opportunity for us to help some people get healthy with the minimal 20 to 30 minutes of workouts a day. Let's see if we can help some people.

01:45 - Chase (Host)

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03:35 - Carl (Guest)

I have a sort of a touchstone every year. So I go on this little vacation with the family that is in Canada. So I go on this vacation to Canada every year and so for me, doing a shallow water start on one ski is like if I can still do that, I still got my mojo right. So it's sort of like three hops and you're up on the ski kind of thing. So when I can do that like I literally will train all year with that in mind Am I going to be able to do three hops up in shallow water right off the beach? Right? And so I did it again this year and I was like I wasn't sure at 61 because last year was tough. So I trained with that in mind and so that's the fun thing. But ultimately, but ultimately it's again.

04:23

The message is and why I hope people will share this is I don't think we as a society are taking enough responsibility for our friends and neighbors in helping motivate and influence them. So you might have it all dialed in for yourself, but I'm not talking about shaming people, but I'm just saying help people be accountable. Like I worked with a woman for the last 12 weeks, I was just looking for an accountability buddy because I like to stay in touch with some customers. So I recruited one person and she was about to go through this program, a hormone health program called Belvital. And sure enough, this woman in 12 weeks lost 27 pounds. But it was the first time in her life I think she's around 57 years old first time she'd ever finished one of our programs and she'd been a member for years and even she had this Belvital thing for three months before she started it. But it was when she had an accountability buddy. All we do is text each other each day. My nutrition's on point. I did my workout and she went on a little vacation. She got off the rails I'm like let's go, dial it back in and she lost the five pounds that she'd gained real fast.

05:35

So my point is everybody listening to this, including you, can forward this to a couple of people and say hey, you want to start a program? I'm going to be a text buddy for you for 30 days, 60 days or 90 days and you will change somebody's life. I don't care if it's our program, the gym, you know. I think they need to do more than walking. Walking gets a lot of hype, steps and all that, but it's not going to help your bone density, like you've got to add some weight and then we did some really good today.

06:04

That's what I'm hoping is that people will be like you know what All the toxicity in the world can be. We can counteract a lot of the toxicity, negativity, fear, anxiety in the world If you step out of your comfort zone and you go hey, I'm putting a little group together for 30 or 60 days. We're all just going to do 100 squats a day and try to mount together 50 pushups or something like that. What could you do that would literally save somebody's life? So that's my little, that's my rail. I warned you that I'm coming in hot.

06:42 - Chase (Host)

Thank you so much. Let's take a pause there and everybody do exactly what Carl just said. You got a handful of people right now you can think of a friend, a coworker, a colleague, a family member, somebody that can find value, motivation, accountability and what you just talked about. Plus, tell them to subscribe, follow the show. It means the world to us over here. What you're talking about, I think, is an incredible approach to life, but definitely longevity, health, fitness, wellness for yourself and for others Another area that comes to mind that I think I always try to embody and I think works well for most people.

07:19

Until you get people on board with what you're doing and that's just living by example. How many of us have people in our life you know that friend, that family member, that coworker that is just saying the same thing year in, year out? I'm getting back in the gym next week. Diet starts Monday. I got to lose five pounds, I got to lose 20 pounds, but yet there you are getting your workouts in, dialing in your nutrition, prioritizing sleep, moving your body, prioritizing relationships, staying hydrated. You know we all have our ebbs and flows with it, but they're watching you.

07:53

You're the example. Where else do we go from there Because you can't lead a horse or you can lead a horse to water, right. But I found, especially back in my health coaching days, it's almost like leading by example wasn't enough. Leading a horse to water Wasn't enough. I had to convince them that they were thirsty and say, hey, here's the trough, here's the water, here's what you see me doing, what's working for me. How can we get somebody to like really take the next step beyond just setting a positive, healthy, upright and mobile, active example?

08:27 - Carl (Guest)

Yeah, um, I think that's the ultimate question. So if I had the answer, I'd be rich man, I'd be sitting here like I think you're doing all right.

08:31 - Chase (Host)

I think no, it can always be better.

08:33 - Carl (Guest)

Honestly, you know you were very kind as I sat down, but I would say this is not. I haven't achieved a fraction of what I should have achieved by now. I've been doing this for 26 something years. I should have 50 million members. It's ridiculous that I don't and I'm pissed that I don't. So I've got to still figure it out.

08:56

But I do think that living by example is not enough, because it can also be alienating to people who are like it's one of the reasons that we changed the name from Beachbody Like I'm never going to have a Beachbody, I'm never going to have a six pack. That's not my motivation. Their motivation although, when you tap into their emotions could be I want to be there for my kids. I want to be able to be active with my grandkids. I want to be able to enjoy the events. I want to be able to dance with my daughter at her wedding. All these things are an outcome of taking action now. So it's not just living by example. I think it's living by invitation, meaning we have to transcend the isolation of I'm doing my thing, which and it's really I think it's important that's gotta be. You know, put your mask on yourself before you do it for your kid right, take care of yourself first, yeah.

09:50

But then you got to invite the person next to you to put their mask on and help them out with it, and that's how everything gets better, rising tide. And, by the way, when you start doing that for them, you're going to be more consistent yourself. Like when you've got. Like when I I have a text group now of three people and like 5am because they're on the East coast, so 5am my phone is going off they're texting I did my workout, I'm eating, I'm drinking my Shakeology, blah, blah, blah, and it's like, oh, I better show up.

10:22

And, like I said, I am not, I'm not one of these people that loves this. Like I could never do another workout in my life and be quite satisfied. I hate it. What Can't stand it? You hate working out. Yeah, I hate it Literally. Like I love water skiing, I love wake surfing and all these things, but you know I also have to work, so I can't be doing that all the time. So to keep it tight, I got to work out. But I hate it, don't like it and I could skip it at any day, except for my text thread group or my body experience community. We've got a community of about 80,000 people that show up and they post their sweaty selfie and we're all in there and I'm not just the CEO, I'm a customer with these people.

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13:09 - Carl (Guest)

So I think that's one of the reasons that when the company was successful not because I loved it so much and let me impart this on others it was because I hated it so much that I was trying to solve my own problems, and I think that's where the best solutions come from is somebody who's trying to solve their own problem. That's where Shakeology came from, because I can't eat vegetables, I eat like a third grader.

13:31 - Chase (Host)

And so I said to Isabel and Darren, who formulated Shakeology, you've had Darren on the show and they were friends and I was like look, there's got to be a way.

13:46 - Carl (Guest)

If I can drink a shot of tequila, there's got to be a way that you can make a shot of vegetables for me so that I can somehow get the fiber, prebiotics, probiotics, superfoods and all that stuff down my stomach, because I cannot eat asparagus, broccoli, like I just can't do it. So, and I don't care how bad it tastes, I'll figure it out and I'm like well, we can actually do it and it could taste pretty good. And I'm like, ok, if you're going to do it, you will have a customer for life, but this has to be really good. Like I don't want some BS thing that it's like has all the right stuff on the label. It's got to be like I'm dipping a spoon into right ingredients, right dosages.

14:26 - Chase (Host)

I mean so many things in the supplement space. What's what it says is actually not even in there at all.

14:31 - Carl (Guest)

I totally appreciate that you're saying that, or?

14:33 - Chase (Host)

in such a misrepresented dose that, yeah, it has creatine, yeah it has ashwagandha. I'm not saying you guys, but at what amount? It's not actually going to be clinically effective, it's not actually going to move the needle, it's not actually going to do anything. You're just literally pissing your money down the drain.

14:49 - Carl (Guest)

Well, what those two are genius about is they understand, even at a microdose level, the balance of these components and the importance of, whenever possible, not isolating the component so that you get the full fruit right, so that the whole thing that interacts with your enzymes and that nature sees nature and that gets absorbed into the body and affects your health, right. So that's what I wanted, and that costs money because that means you got to. So, like any business, right, your suppliers of ingredients. They're trying to make as much money as possible. So if they can give you a little bit of a crop that maybe is not quite as potent or dense, or they can add a little bit of something that's invisible to it, that gets the volume there, but it's still got the components of it, they cut it right.

15:38

So you got to test it when it gets, when it shows up. You test it there. You test it when it goes into the, before it goes into the mixer. You test it when it comes out of the mixer to make sure that the potency makes it all the way through and you never you're careful not to kill it at any stage of that. Right, which, like people for safety I'm doing air quotes safety. They want to heat it or irradiate it so that it will stay on the shelf longer and won't grow mold or anything like that.

16:06

So our shelf life is very short of Shakeology because we don't want to kill it. We want whatever is possible to be healthy and living in there to be maintained. So, like, these are the rules that Darren and Isabel set and they were like all right, if our name is going to be attached to this, you have to maintain these standards. So we have the most rigorous testing of Shakeology, I think, in the industry, which is one of the reasons it's a little more expensive than others in the industry, which is one of the reasons it's a little more expensive than others. But that was solving my own problem. So I have had that shake every single day for breakfast for about 16 years literally every day.

16:43

And I add stuff to it. I put a little extra fiber in. I take a handful of baby spinach, jam it in there because I can't eat vegetables otherwise and blend it up. Yeah, blend it up, and I literally put a raw egg so I get a little bit more protein. Um and uh, that's my breakfast and um, so, so again the the. The point here, I think, is one of the reasons that formerly Beachbody, now body, is powerful for this particular segment of the world. Again, not the people that love it. They can go to CrossFit and Equinox and knock yourselves out, people like me. We're not going to be drawn into what they call the high volume, low price places that they sort of get you in with a low price gym subscription so that you'll never show. Yeah.

17:34 - Chase (Host)

You never show up. Yeah, they oversell it by like three, four X.

17:37 - Carl (Guest)

Right, they could never fit all the members Right. So what I want to do is provide a really um uh, accessible approach. Like right now I'm doing a program called 25 minutes speed train, so it's 25 minutes a day, seven days a week, and I we designed it specifically that way, um so that because if I lose my, if I lose my pattern, it's like a restart If I just have one or two days off of the week, like, let's say, I take Saturday and Sunday off, then I'm like, oh, I got to get back on the routine, right.

18:14

So my routine is every morning I check that box and, like I said, I don't like it but I know that the discomfort, just like I don't like cold plunging, but I do it because I know that that discomfort is serving me and my overall wellbeing and habits and behavior and mental fortitude and physical fortitude for the other 23 and a half hours of the day. Right. So that's the body difference than the I love fitness people. We're serving the 175 people who have to find a way if they want to have the best quality of life and that's who I want to serve.

18:51 - Chase (Host)

What do you think it is that differentiates people from like what you just described? I don't want to work out, I don't want to exercise, but irrefutably, I know these benefits that I'm going to get, for whatever reason. Again, going back to my health coaching days, I could sit there ad nauseum with some clients and present to them hey, if you don't get off this medication, you're going to have these other problems. Or hey, if you don't address this, you're going to need this medication. Hey, if you don't move your body, hey, if you don't look at your nutrition, hey, if you don't do or do these things, your life lack for better term is going to become more shitty. It's going to become more difficult to get out of bed. You're not going to be able to bend over and pick up your kids, your grandkids. You're going to have difficulty breathing, sleeping, hormonal imbalances. Life is going to get harder.

19:42

Some people still. I can lay it all out for them. We, this podcast, could lay it all out for them, and that still would not be enough. What does it take for those people to finally do something much less consistently, day in, day out, for 25?

19:58 - Carl (Guest)

minutes Conversations like you and I are having, and hopefully 10 people today will hear this and they'll go oh, I get this now. So here's what I would say. Let's use the metaphor of finances. Right? So you want to save money, you want to be able to buy a house, you want to pay your bills, and so you're going to work for that and you're going to control your spending so that you don't go into debt and you don't go bankrupt. Right, so you're making your money and you know, can I buy a Maserati or not, if you, if you overspend or you under uh, uh under earn you are in poverty, right, so that's, that's economic poverty.

20:44

We're talking about physical poverty, and that that's the way I look at it. Okay, if I am abusing my body or underworking my body to the extent that I am in decay, I'm creating physical poverty for myself and it's going to keep going down and down and down. I was talking to somebody the other day and they were lighting up a cigarette and I'm like boy with everything we know, you're still lighting up the cigarette.

21:13 - Chase (Host)

Who still smokes?

21:14 - Carl (Guest)

Yeah, I'm not going to out him but and you know it's not my job to be somebody's nanny, but but I just. But he said, I just love it. And you know, hey, your choice, just like you, just you might, they might love gambling, going to Vegas and gambling or whatever. But you got to understand you are creating the more you abuse and you pull out of that bank account, you are creating eventual physical bankruptcy for yourself. And we see it all the time in the economy. The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer and unfortunately it's an imbalance. Like there's all these factors, macro factors, but there's also choice in there and a balance of the choices that people are making that can make them richer or preserve their capital or make them healthier and preserve their well-being or undermine it. And so it's our job and great people like you that have a podcast like that, that are helping people see that they can prop up their well-being and everything about their life, probably even more so than if they were uber wealthy. If they're strong and healthy and they've got that energy, everything's going to be better, everything about life is going to be better. Then, like, once you're sick I'm sure you've heard this. You know what does it say? A man, a man who is healthy can have a thousand desires. A man who is sick has one right and it's when you're sick that you're going to be. Like damn it.

22:59

Why didn't I listen to that podcast and just put in 20 to 30 minutes a day. 20 to 30 minutes a day. Like you cannot sit at the desk and the computer. And you cannot sit at the desk and the computer and or scroll and or watch TV all day long and completely disregard the fact that your body is getting a signal from you that it doesn't matter what its physical well-being is like. You can just be a brain with a cane, like you're making that choice, or you put in the 20 to 30 minutes and, by the way, it doesn't have to be blow your brains out. 20 to 30 minutes. Like there are days that I'm like you know what, instead of 25s, I'm picking up 20s. I'm talking dumbbells, like there's just there's times where I'm going to press pause.

23:50

That's okay, but I showed up Like I did a post today. We show up. I said just show up with us. That's what I said. Just show up with us. Don't try to be perfect, don't question it Am, I do, I want to? Does it just show up with us? That's the point. And so you asked me what do we need to do? And so you asked me what do we need to do? I'm talking in metaphors. There's another one.

24:17

Ask a man. He's got a mountain of stones, a mountain of stones in front of him, and he needs to get through that mountain to get to the other side. And you ask him how are you going to move that mountain? He's like I'm going to move it one spoon at a time, Like one spoon at a time. Well, what happens if? Let's say, that mountain is the trend of obesity? So instead of one guy moving it, one spoon at a time, we get 10 other people, or we get 100 other people and everybody's a spoon. And that's how you end the trend of obesity Everybody pulls together. Okay, one more.

24:52 - Chase (Host)

I love these little stories.

24:54 - Carl (Guest)

There's the starfish story. There's a kid walks out on the beach and you ever see starfish. You ever see a beach where the starfish all washed?

25:02 - Chase (Host)

up. Right, just washed up yeah.

25:03 - Carl (Guest)

Right. So there's hundreds of thousands of starfish lining this beach and they're all going to die, right? And so this kid is there and he starts picking them up and throwing them into the ocean, one by one. He's just throwing them in. And this guy walks by and he's like what are you doing, kid? He's like I'm saving these starfish, throwing them back. And he's like there's hundreds of thousands of starfish on this beach. You're not going to be able to get them all, it doesn't matter. And the kid picks up another one, throws it and he goes matters to that one. I can get this one, yeah.

25:33

And that's what we can do. You invite people, you help yourself and eventually you make a dent and all of a sudden there's a big patch with fewer starfish on it and they're in the water and they're feeling great and they're rich in health. So this, what you do, what people who are listening do, is how we turn this thing around and, if I can play a role in that, by creating programs that are accessible for people, try to keep it inexpensive, but expensive enough so that it's meaningful and not a throwaway and also has a quality that they go. Hey, I feel like I'm getting to know this trainer we call them super trainers because they're that good that then people are like this is worth it.

26:12

To me, this is an investment in myself. That's my 20 to 30 minute investment a day. Then they start to tweak how they eat, then they start to think maybe instead of the soda they're going to have water. And things start to change. Just click by click by click, spoonful by spoonful, starfish by starfish. And then all of a sudden you have a person and then one day they're going to show up at a party. People are like how'd you lose the 30 pounds chase? And? And he's gonna be like I don't know, I got this great starfish diet yeah, I just started, I just started the little, just started the little things and it became.

26:45

And now, all of a sudden, this person will be shocked, just like I have been shocked, that people, like literally people in the company. I learned that they wouldn't invite me to birthday parties at the office because they wanted to have cake and they thought I was the food Nazi that was going to wag my finger at them for having cake. I don't give a shit, have your cake, I don't care, I have cake Like I don't love cake, but whatever you do it. But it's like you become known as the health and fitness person and people have no idea that it's actually a struggle for you too.

27:18 - Chase (Host)

Do I have any other new parents out there? Because, man, the dad of an 8-month-old I am really starting to feel the dynamic, the push and the pull even more of navigating new sleep cycles, but also as just a busy guy, a hard-working guy, someone that is just devoted to squeezing as much out of the day as I can. Maybe you can relate. Are you starting to feel like our days and nights are playing kind of this tug-of-war with our energy? So I've been going back to the basics, getting back to my healthy habits and routines. Honestly, meditation has been a game changer for me, when I can squeeze in even just five minutes in the mornings or wherever. But sometimes I need a little help. I'm looking for something that's going to help get me through my day without overstimulating me and having a massive sleep debt to pay later. I need to be sharp, I need to be on. I want to perform my best for myself, my family, my son. Look for the professionals over at Cured Nutrition because they know their craft when it comes to herbs and botanicals and adaptogens and functional mushrooms, and I've been reaching for and loving their Harmony Bundle, featuring their Flow and Serenity gummies Also who just doesn't love a gummy these days. You put gummy in front of it, I'm probably going to be snagging it up.

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30:25 - Carl (Guest)

I do have to be honest, though. Once the company got kind of big like once we had 300 people working there I did say, look, you can have a birthday party once a month, but it can't be every day. There's a cake. I also, truth be told, I did get annoyed. The kind people in the office would have a candy bowl on their desk so people coming by could grab a little Snickers or something like that, and I was like, look, if you want to have a stash of candy, that's great, but there's a lot of people in here who are trying to manage their diabetes or trying to manage their eating disorder or trying to just stay off sugar or whatever it is. So why don't you put it in your drawer? Let's remove the sugar minefield.

31:06

Yeah, exactly you know I did the same thing, Like imagine, in the body offices we had vending machines with sodas and all the artificial dyes and colors and all the candies and chips and I was like, why is that here?

31:20

I'm like, well, people want it. I'm like, no, no, no, they can get it everywhere. How about? This is the one place that they don't have to get it. And so we built a Shakeology bar and we said we'll give everybody here a shake. They can have a shake every day If they're looking for something snack on or whatever. We had these snack bars, so we put our own protein bars out and let's do that for the people rather than pretend that these candy bars are actually food. And so I do have to cop to that.

31:51 - Chase (Host)

Well, I mean, it's such a great kind of bow on this concept of it's not about us a lot of times, and sometimes some of the best ways that we can help us is by helping others, because imagine you know your example of in the office.

32:06

You're the person that puts a bucket of candy out because you're trying to be nice, you're trying to, you know, be warming and inviting or whatever, but what you don't know, maybe what you're not acknowledging, is that that's actually crippling someone else's needs and wants and goals with their health. Now just think about if someone else did that for something that you needed or like that you struggled with. You know, I think Candy is such a great example. You know, but maybe you know, maybe you I don't know move your office down a flight of stairs or up a flight of stairs or down the hall, and you know this person's struggling with their step. Count, count. Now, in order to come see you, they got to walk all the way down the hall or go down a flight of stairs. So one of the best ways we can help ourselves is by helping other people.

32:47 - Carl (Guest)

Yeah, I think so too. Like hey, you know what? Here's a good idea. If you're the candy person in the office, put the candy in it in a drawer and when people come by and you say, okay, chase, did you do your workout today, and if Chase gets a check mark, chase gets a piece of candy. Or if he gets he maybe he's got to get seven check marks and he earns a piece of candy.

33:12 - Chase (Host)

Hey Chris, hide all the candy in the other side of the studio, please. Seriously. Chris, it doesn't help when my brother actually owns a candy company.

33:17 - Carl (Guest)

So it doesn't help, hey man candy is more power to candy but less reflex to candy. You know what I'm saying? Like, put it in its place that it's a special thing, not a regular thing.

33:36 - Chase (Host)

You know you have to work for and towards, not just you know is always there or taken for granted.

33:43 - Carl (Guest)

We would have what they call craft services at a shoot, at a fitness shoot, with these red vine, licorice, things like candy. I'm like what is happening here, like we've got a fitness cast that is killing themselves out there and and the whole crew is now chowing into cupcakes and cookies. I'm like no not on, not on this set, so it's not up in here.

34:08 - Chase (Host)

Yeah right, so we'll call as someone who is, you know, in their 60s now. You know, you've gone through so many decades of not only business rub it in dude so so, so many years You've gone through several decades of taking care of yourself, prioritizing yourself.

34:25

I'm curious, as a man in his 60s now you know kind of generation by generation 60s, 50s, 40s, 30s for them can wrap their head around maybe what are the the biggest or the biggest obstacle I need to get ahead of, or what was one area that you found particularly troublesome in this longevity game of exercise of maintaining building muscle? Was there anything that stood out kind of decade by decade for you?

34:57 - Carl (Guest)

it's always different, right, because you're, Because you're sort of pre-family, early career party time start to grow up, but your career is taking precedence. There's always something to fill the space. So it took me a while to find that this needs to be a priority, but I never wanted to get tilted where it was the only priority. Like the folks and I'm not judging them, but the folks that can go two hours in the gym, I don't know how they do it Like I just I could never make it that big of a deal because I don't enjoy it that much, so I don't know that I could segment it for you that well, Chase. But here's what I'll say, what I've noticed, that I've even gotten sucked into and I hope this is. You know, if we've got the wrong sponsor today, then you can lift this out. I think there's all this fascination now with biometrics and wellness hacks and all these, like reading everything, knowing what's my sleep score and all these scores. You know what I know if.

36:14

I got a good night's sleep or not, and I don't need all these biometrics.

36:26

I don't need all these biometrics, it's easy for people to psych themselves out with the right T and the right stack and the perfect workout segmentation, when, ultimately, they psych themselves out of doing everything because I don't have the right watch, I don't have the right measuring thing, I don't have the recovery program that tells me what it needs. It's just not that complicated, which is which, frankly, you asked me at the beginning what was the premise of the business. I was observing. So Bowflex was huge.

36:53 - Chase (Host)

When we first got started, okay.

36:54 - Carl (Guest)

They were selling a $1,500 machine and it was a. It was a $1.5 billion business and doing great. And I'm looking at that and they're showing before and afters in the infomercial and I'm like, well, all they're doing is selling gravity, like they're selling a replacement for gravity with this machine. So gravity is free and dumbbells are pretty cheap to add to gravity. So if we can just show people what to do step by step, they're going to save lots of money. So when we were developing Power 90 and then P90X, I can remember people in the industry saying this is never going to sell, this looks too hard.

37:30

People are doing squats and pull-ups and push-ups and I'm like, yeah, there's enough smart people that they'll go. Wait a minute, I don't need to buy the $1,500 piece of equipment. I can just buy this $150, this $120 or this $170 subscription and I'm going to have all the variety, the perfect diversity of fitness programs going to help my mobility, agility and strength and stamina and cardio and so on. And I got no machine taking up my living room and that was really where the company sort of was the foundation for the company and made it approachable for people. So that again, I'm not trying to convert the converted. I'm trying to help the people who don't have an answer and also perhaps aren't taking action on the suffering that's waiting for them if they don't take action. Like the other day, I'm like, oh, I got another loop back, so it took me six months of the year, but I'm like I closed my belt a little bit. I'm like, oh, this feels pretty good.

38:53 - Chase (Host)

As someone who I'm laughing, but I'm also that guy. I got an Apple Watch, I got a Whoop, it's sort of kind of sometimes will track my food if I feel like I'm off a little bit, just saying, kind of get me back on track. But I do find value and personal interest in data points, the quantitative aspect of life, the quantified self, so to speak. But I'm so glad you bring up this aspect of qualitative measurement. I really think I'm curious if there should be a term for it. Maybe there already is, but you know, years ago I, you know, in undergrad, I heard this term orthorexia and you know it's this unhealthy obsession with living a healthy life it's obsessing over. Is this gluten free? Is this organic? Did I hit every step that I hit? Every macro you kind of develop, you know, can get to this obsessive, compulsive angle of it, or just trying to take care of yourself and be healthy creeps into so many other areas of your life that becomes a problem. Orthorexia I'm kind of spitballing definition here, but I really wonder if, now that we've had years of the quantified self, probably a decade plus of or rings, whoops, mark beds, I mean hell, I got a chili pad on my mattress at home. There's eight sleep. There's all these brands that measure the body recovery, training, sleep, stress.

40:08

You know I get labs at least once a year, probably a couple of times a year, um, but there's no denying if you learn how to feel, there's no denying how good good feels. There's no denying that when you look in the mirror or just you know, even kind of just sit with yourself and you're in that state of positive self-talk. I can honestly say that I feel good. I don't have brain fog, I'm not tired, I'm getting a good night's sleep, I'm not stressed through the roof, I have meaningful relationships.

40:40

You can probably run through all that and measure all these key quote areas that everything else measures in a few seconds instead of snowballing them up into spreadsheets and data and apps and all this stuff. Am I going to stop measuring? Probably not anytime soon. I do enjoy the idea of things running in the background just to have these data points. But ultimately, like I think we all got back to just qualitative and going am I doing the right things? Do I know why? What is right to me? Am I moving my body, sleeping well, drinking enough water, eating quality food, having meaningful relationships with people Like you can do that way easier. You know it's funny.

41:20 - Carl (Guest)

I just thought of this while we're sitting here, like and again, I mean no disrespect to you at all, but you know what these things don't just don't measure conveniently is they don't measure how much radiation you're exposed to every day.

41:35 - Chase (Host)

Thanks to the extra Bluetooth. Well, every time I see Darren, he reminds me.

41:39 - Carl (Guest)

Right, yeah, exactly Like you know.

41:42 - Chase (Host)

Oh, I take off my whoops sometimes and they're a partner. No shade, I'm like, is that cancer Five years in?

41:50 - Carl (Guest)

what am I doing? And they don't know? Do we have the data? Or they do and they're not telling us.

41:54 - Chase (Host)

Total speculation here.

41:55 - Carl (Guest)

Yeah Well, so what I'm saying is really the point that I'm making is and people love these things and they like the information, but I say people can often psych themselves out of taking action because they look at it like I got to have everything. It's kind of the same thing. I know you've got entrepreneurs that listen to this and I think any entrepreneur can say how long did they wait before they started because they wanted everything to be perfect to start.

42:25

And it's sort of the same thing. It can be the same thing with fitness. Well, I got to have all the measurements and I got to have the bed that's going to tell me how I feel, and you know. And I got to have all the perfect equipment. And I was talking to this woman, judy, who finished the Belvital program when she started with us. All she was lifting was wine bottles because she knew they weighed two pounds.

42:51 - Chase (Host)

No.

42:53 - Carl (Guest)

So that's how she got started. Good for her. But then she went all the way with Belvital and completely changed her cortisol curve and hyperthyroidism and all this stuff.

43:07 - Chase (Host)

Just crazy what happens. When you just tweak your lifestyle, man, everything can get better. Well, yeah, I mean look at centenarians around the world.

43:11 - Carl (Guest)

I mean Japan, italy, some here in America, greece, Centenarian is that a they live that's like a horse body and a that's a centaur.

43:20 - Chase (Host)

Oh, what's a centenarian? So anyone that lives over 100, a century. They don't have a horse body.

43:27 - Carl (Guest)

Maybe, maybe that's a secret we don't know about, but yeah.

43:29 - Chase (Host)

Have you heard of Blue Zones?

43:31 - Carl (Guest)

No, really, what's a Blue?

43:33 - Chase (Host)

Zone, so Blue Zones. This book came out years ago by Dan Butner. I think he coined the term blue zones. There are seven or eight around the world where it's these pockets of villages, towns, small groups of people typically, where they all, or on average, live above 100 years old. None of them are using whoops, none of them are getting quarterly labs, none of them are using smart anything. What they're doing is moving daily and often picking up heavy for them things. Oddly enough, pretty much all but the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint group drink alcohol sparingly, but it's typically drunk with others, so they have a strong aspect of community.

44:20 - Carl (Guest)

And they're probably managing stress incredibly well is what I would guess.

44:23 - Chase (Host)

Yeah, and they typically eat the foods that they grow or are very local to that area. But all that to just say people that are objectively living the longest, healthiest, happiest lives are not doing all of the things. It's the simple things, daily, for every day of your life.

44:43 - Carl (Guest)

Yeah, Well, I don't have it all figured out, that's for sure. But I do have enough experience in this particular area to know that starting off with a 21-day fix program half hour a day and seeing that you actually literally can lose 10 to 15 pounds in 21 days in a healthy way, managing portion control, will blow your mind. And then you've just you pulled the pin, and now that thing's just going to go off the rest of your life.

45:14 - Chase (Host)

Well, now is the portion of my notes where I skip over the entire section about asking you what markers of health do you personally track or care most about? But you know, is there anything that you would say you uniquely do or check in with that we haven't covered? That you attribute a fair portion to, or maybe the biggest portion to, your longevity in the space of, you know, being 61 and water skiing and working out every day, and just you know, I mean mean you guys got to check out the video. I mean he's in phenomenal shape. So I mean, you know, is you know something personal to carl here?

45:47

yeah, um have you found your secret sauce for longevity in the health and fitness I?

45:52 - Carl (Guest)

would say I'm really lucky that I run this company, because I don't think I would be in this kind of condition if I didn't. I would be lazier about it because I'm forced to see it every day, right, so I'm constantly working it in my head. So I would say start your own fitness company. But I don't. If I had a secret sauce, I've already monetized it and that is, you know, have a plan Like I could never be. You know, there's a. There's all these videos on YouTube and stuff. If I relied on like surfing YouTube, like I found my favorite trainer and whatever I would, I would never be consistent about it. I need to know that this thing was laid out day by day so that I get a predictable outcome. So that's what we institutionalize in the body. Everything's laid out day by day. There's nothing random about it. I don't want to have a scarcity mentality or a starvation mentality when it comes to food.

46:59

So we created two nutrition programs that literally help you eat the foods you love without depriving yourself, and now there are variations of that, like removing excess added sugar and all that kind of stuff, can start to really accelerate and improve a lot of things about your life. But ultimately, dial in portions and manage food types, processed foods you're going to see some remarkable results quickly. So, and that's the way I run, I'm not, I'm not, and, and so. So let's say, if that water skiing video is impressive, I will say to your audience what you. What's impressive is the fact that I'm literally working out 20 to 30 minutes a day and pretty much eating whatever I want, with the foundation of Shakeology in the morning, I try to get another helping of vegetables in, with lunch that I mix in with chicken and a grain, and some like pico de gallo or something like every day, or a salad. So try to do that, and then I will eat whatever I want.

48:07

Last night I had a calzone, but I managed the portion. I had half of it right. So, and at 61, I can wake, surf, I can water ski, because I just hit the basics right. So that's what I want to say, so that nobody has to be waiting for it. Let me find the secret hack. The secret hack is just do the thing and okay, that's how I'll sort of wrap. My secret hack is don't quit. That's the one strength that I have built over the course of 61 years that I didn't know.

48:40

I started with the seed of it but it has grown into an oak with a company that has been very difficult to run, because we're dealing with a riddle that is so far unsolvable, and that is how can you get people to want to self-preserve through their own effort? And that's just difficult. But I can't quit. And it's the same thing with this fitness, it's the same thing with my body. I just refuse to quit and just let it go. So that's my secret.

49:13 - Chase (Host)

Kind of leaning more into like the business aspect side of your life running the same business but much less running the same business, that is, in the business of health, taking care of people, getting them optimized, lose weight, active over the years I mean you talked about in the beginning, but so many brands and companies and apparatuses and devices and gimmicks have come and gone. Why do you think what you and Beachbody and Albody have done and are doing and will do continue to stand the test of time? More importantly, how do you make sure what you're putting out actually moves the needle for people's health and isn't falling victim to fluff?

49:59

and fillers and inappropriate dosages.

50:02 - Carl (Guest)

Well, bullshit, that has taken real discipline. Like I can remember when uh or a Fedra oh yeah, yeah. So when a Fedra was taking off, it was like a $2 billion supplement, like um out of nowhere it got banned.

50:18 - Chase (Host)

I remember somebody's mind started up Um. A lot of people in the military were taking it when I was in because it really helped you cut weight, and the military banned it. I think they were one of the first ones to ban it in the US before I got pulled off the shelves.

50:29 - Carl (Guest)

Well, when it was growing, my co-founder, john, and I were looking at it and we were like we could have developed a supplement around it and we were like that's just not what we do, Like it's not who we are. And I'm not saying I'm not taking a cut at that or supplements in general, or even GLP-1s, for that matter. But what our discipline has been is we have never been head faked that you have to keep making it more and more complicated. So our discipline, our fight, has been keep it simple, find, like whether it's body weight workouts for people, calisthenics, keeping it tight and short Again, because we're not trying to be the most sophisticated company in the world. Like you know, there's these wellness spas and like hotels devoted to like you plug into these things. Like you know you're getting a total body tune up and that's great for people, for a health week or something like that, but ultimately, on a day-to-day basis, to reach these 170, 180 million people that just need something.

51:39

I want to be the company that's like. We just make it simple for you. And you said you know how do we know we test it before we put it out, like we did a test group with this 25 minute speed train program for eight weeks. It's an eight week program, seven days a week, and we put 40 people through the test group and if it didn't deliver the results that we thought it would, with the targeted volume training that we call it, which is time under tension in different formats to sort of keep the body guessing over the course of eight weeks, if we didn't see the results, we would kill the project. I've killed maybe three projects over the course of running the business because it's like, oh, that's not working or people can't follow it. Like you know, there's a real art to articulating fitness through the TV, so that people will get it at home, right.

52:26 - Chase (Host)

So I'll just highlight real quick what you just mentioned is one of the most, one of the two most tried and true, proven approaches to exercise physiology uh, time under tension and progressive overload. You have one. If you have both of those things, you are going to get results. You're going to see results, You're going to feel results. You don't need any extra fluff. That's it. That's what the human body needs.

52:49 - Carl (Guest)

And that's 25-minute speed train, that's job one. That's 21-day fix, 80-day obsession, morning meltdown 100, p90x, lift four, lift more, chop wood, carry water. Six weeks of the work.

53:02 - Chase (Host)

You know like this is this is the catalog variations on the theme insanity dig deeper, Like, but you guys aren't reinventing the wheel. I mean, it's more or less here, same principles, but just you have to. You're needing to repackage it for, like the, the business side of things, Keep it interesting.

53:22 - Carl (Guest)

Okay, so that you know, people go from program to program. Like, hey, I don't know that people would necessarily want to do insanity for the rest of their lives, Like that's going to be tough, but to take on that challenge for 60 days is wildly rewarding. Like you finish that, it's kind of like you know, training for a high rocks event or a tough mud or one of these things. Right, Like I'm just going to do this flight of fitness and see if I can finish it. And then you're at some new level, your own personal best, and you can go do things water ski, snow ski, whatever it is and then you go back to a more tenable 25 minutes a day type of deal.

53:58 - Chase (Host)

Do you have a sane follow-up workout plan for insanity so we can titrate down appropriately? Yeah.

54:03 - Carl (Guest)

Um, yeah for sure, like, like literally people you downshift into real life. So, like a lot of people will will see it. Um, it's interesting that the seasons of fitness obviously January one is famous one, but you know what the? I think the new January one is the day after the Superbowl. Um, like, people might not fully commit during football season because they know they're going to go off the rails on the weekend. But then the day after football season it's like okay, time to. I got to burn this beer and wings off. And that's another day one to, as you're going into April and you know that either spring break vacations or thinking ahead to whatever wedding summer vacation and that kind of thing, and so these seasons are when people will dial it up to one of these like P90X program, insanity, 80 Day Obsession, but then they might go like for me, last year I did a program, body program, body lava was 20 minutes a day of just primal flow and, um, sort of a simple approach to yoga.

55:09

It's 20 minutes, more like mobility, exactly like I needed that.

55:13

At 60 years old I was like I need to open everything up and it got rid of joint pain, stuff like that. The year before my project was what we call chop wood, carry water by Mwala Caesar. He did this incredible program Again, primal moves, lifting, progressive overload, plus um, plus uh, cardio, and like I got incredible results. And then I went to a. You know that was about 45 minutes ish a day, so then I dial it back to 20 minutes a day. So that's that's what the catalog does, gives you this, these options based on sort of where you're at physiologically, how you're feeling and um. And that's what the community is so great for. Cause you know, we, we got this 80,000 people in this community, we call it the body experience community and like they'll be going through the program. They'd be like I've got a little tweak in my shoulder or something. And then people are like, oh, why don't you add a little body lava in there? Or the next program you should do is chop wood, carry water, or 645 or whatever.

56:10 - Chase (Host)

Make your own blend here.

56:12 - Carl (Guest)

Yeah, exactly, and they'll put hybrid calendars together and the community makes it work. That's what's people helping people. That's what really worked. And the community makes it work. That's what's people helping people.

56:21 - Chase (Host)

That's what really worked. What do you see right now as the biggest red flag, the biggest calling BS in the health and fitness space? Someone who sells programs, workouts and nutrition to millions of people? You got to be looking at everyone else from time to time and going like, yeah, that kind of works or that's just total BS, or where do you feel like? Maybe a better question here is where do you feel like, besides the metrics and measuring things, where do you feel like people are putting too much of their eggs in that basket? That is not really going to get them the results they want?

57:00 - Carl (Guest)

Well, I think people can get so infatuated with one modality that they'll be out of balance. So, you know, bikes, you know people fall in love with the Peloton or the we sold a connected bike and like they'll fall in love with the Peloton or the the we sold a connected bike and uh, like they'll fall in love with that biking so much that they'll miss the weight training, the importance of weight training, or you know, you need to be, you need to do movements off axis in order to maintain the ability to catch yourself and keep that mobility. So, um't, like you know, people will fall in love with their pattern and their regularity and they'll lose the weight. So they never want to get off the bike and that'll be a shame. And I don't think it's not go from the bike to the treadmill, it's just the same problem. So you're going to need to lift some weight and it's the same thing.

58:01

People who are just totally into, like you see, people, I just want to build my upper body. They never work their legs, they're, they're just standing on sticks and um, so that balance is is important and uh, but, but otherwise I can't say that I have, you know, uh, you know I. I do think that the fitness business has come a long way, including, you know, beachbody Evolved. We dropped the name Beachbody because we wanted it to mean more than the vanity metrics and encourage people to just take care of themselves. What we like to say love your body, b-o-d-i. But I think the fitness business overall has evolved to wellness from purely a vanity play. So I don't have any, I'm not wagging my finger at anybody.

58:48 - Chase (Host)

All right. Well, thank you for your candor, thank you for your honesty there. What's down the pipeline? What's the biggest thing you or Bodies got coming up in the works? What has you excited about your 60ies now in life and in business?

59:05 - Carl (Guest)

Well, I'll be more near term because I don't know, I don't know what's that far out in the future, but I would say I'm super excited. You know this Belvital program I mentioned.

59:15 - Chase (Host)

This hormone program? Yeah, women's hormone health that program.

59:20 - Carl (Guest)

The way we launched it, we didn't put it into the library so it was not available in the subscription. You had to buy it separately. And, um, we're just not reaching enough people with the program, so we're going to put it into the subscription now. So I'm really excited for because I've seen such outrageous results for women who suffer from hot flashes and night sweats and brain fog and, you know, aching joints. And like again Judy, who I worked with, she had acid reflux. She took an antacid every night for, like I think, 11 years and on her third day doing the Belvital program she was like I don't feel like I need it and she hasn't taken one since it's been 14 weeks.

01:00:04

Is this a nutritionally focused program Combination nutrition, fitness and stress reduction, breathing. It's got a couple of supplements that help with hormone balancing glucose tolerance, cortisol curve and blood sugar balance.

01:00:25

So it's just really well put together. Autumn Calibri has put this thing together and it's like a perfect program. It's no cakewalk, it's like the P90X of hormone health. It's got this approach to Pilates that I think people are going to love. They don't need a big reformer or Cadillac. It works these bands that are attached to a door or a wall. So I'm excited for that to be in the library come September. And then we've got a program.

01:00:54

I don't know if I'm allowed to say it yet, but we've got a program coming from Sean T that will probably be promoted over Black Friday, Cyber Monday. So I'm excited for people to look at that. It's the insanity guy. For those that don't know, and probably the big news is we found a trainer who is so good and I have a concept for what I call P90X generation next. And so for the first time and I don't know, I guess it's been about 11 years since we had a version of, since we did P90X3. So new look, new feel, and we're launching a new P90X with a trainer that is out of the East Coast who's just dynamite and is going to, I think, introduce the idea of 90 days of extreme training with a new modality to a new audience at the same time that we put P90X branded supplements into retail.

01:01:55 - Chase (Host)

Oh smart. So I'm super excited That'll be like the first quarter early spring of 2026.

01:02:02

Well, take us home, Carl. The whole point of this show is to bring people on that, in my opinion, embody the philosophy of how do we learn to move forward in life? How do we learn from people around us? How do we learn from ourselves, our accomplishments, our failures? How do we bring attention and awareness to these key areas of our life that move the needle in one area or all Physical, mental, emotional, spiritual Ever forward? Those two words, what do they mean to you? How do you live a life ever forward?

01:02:33 - Carl (Guest)

I think that you got to be careful with those words. But I think it's a great title, but there's got to be a combination of appreciating where you are, which makes where you are valuable, and constantly seeking what can add more abundance, more value, sustain your value in the world and that you if, if you are static, atrophy will happen.

01:03:09

So ever forward is always moving, is always progressing, always learning, having the courage to risk failure and know that it's all going to work out. Even if you fail, it's going to work out and life is to be lived. So ever forward means embrace life, be vital and take the steps to enhance that vitality with these little choices that you can make every day that are going to make a big difference.

01:03:46 - Chase (Host)

I love that interpretation. Um, there's never a right or wrong answer. I appreciate all my guests interpretation, so thank you for that.

01:03:53 - Carl (Guest)

Yeah, my pleasure.

01:03:54 - Chase (Host)

Well, your information body um, everything Carl's up to is going to be down in the video description box on YouTube. Show notes on the audio podcast Um, but, uh, this is fantastic If you could send my audience anywhere right now to connect with you what you're up to. Where is that? What are you doing? What's going on most right now?

01:04:10 - Carl (Guest)

I think bodycom B O D Icom is is the all inclusive place. I'm on Instagram, Carl Deichler, if you can figure out how to spell it, but I think bodycom is the place to go and there's a bunch of different ways to approach it. There's a tier where you can body previews. You can go there and you can experiment with the videos if people want. But look, I'm not trying to be a commercial. Literally, we succeeded. If maybe 10 people go, you know what I'm going to do. This maybe better. A hundred people decide to invite 10 people, Then this was a score chase and you're the main man.

01:04:48 - Chase (Host)

Thank you, and hopefully at least 10 of you today joined, subscribe, follow the show. It's the biggest ask I could ask of you. Listening and watching it does wonders to support the show, just tapping that button follow, subscribe. But beyond that, you know, send it out to at least one other person. Ten people would be phenomenal. The whole point of this is to not just keep it to ourselves. Like I said earlier, one of the best ways I have found to help me is by helping others, because then they in turn help me in ways that I didn't know I needed help.

01:05:15 - Carl (Guest)

Invite somebody, save a life All right, ever forward fam.

01:05:19 - Chase (Host)

Thank you so much. Thanks, dude, for more information on everything you just heard. Make sure to check this episode, show notes or head to ever forwardradiocom.