EFR 815: Improving Male SEXUAL Health, Fertility, & Libido (How to Be a BETTER LOVER) with Jackson Hightower

00:00 - Chase (Host) The following is an Operation Podcast production Helping men become skilled lovers and improve sexual health Does this mean? Men are not already skilled lovers?

00:13 - Jackson (Guest) We don't have a lot of training, so I would say that most people are not born skilled lovers.

00:17 - Chase (Host) no, what's wrong with our sexual health now that it needs to be improved?

00:20 - Jackson (Guest) Number one testosterone decline up to 40% average decline over the last 40 years. There's guys that are having sexual issues that are younger right, they're having ED type symptoms in their 20s.

00:35 What I have learned is that most men don't have a healthy connection to their own sexual energy, and so just being super understanding and super compassionate as a partner of like this may never work. This my partner may never shift from where they are, and I need to be okay with that. But you know, you know you got to shoot your shot which is like hey, I'd love to explore this with you. Communication, consent, compassion is is really big.

01:01 - Chase (Host) If you can't turn on yourself, how can you expect anybody else to?

01:06 - Jackson (Guest) Hi, I'm Jackson Hightower. I am a men's health and wellness educator and this is Ever Forward Radio.

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02:59 Hey, what's up friends, welcome back to Everford Radio. We got a powerhouse episode for you today. I'm joined by Natural Jackson, founder Jackson Hightower, and he is here to help men and their partners enhance their bedroom skills and optimize their sexual function. I have all of Jackson's resources. He has quite a few linked for you down in the show notes. He has incredible free education out there on how to get better in touch with your own body, your own mind. Whether you're in a relationship, out of a relationship, no matter which approach you might be thinking is best for you in terms of your overall sexual wellness, he's got something for you. So tune in here today, maybe take some notes, share this episode out with another guy in your life that you think could benefit from this information.

03:41 This is a safe space, guys. We're all here to support each other in every facet of our wellness, and I'm here to tell you that sexual well-being is a crucial component to that. Whether you're sexually active now or you might be later. Having a higher level of awareness of your own body, I believe, is very empowering and can really help level up the relationship you have with yourself, relationship with your partner and, in many cases, actually contribute to overall better health, better performance, better cardiovascular health, longevity and so much more. If you have not yet done so, it would mean the world to me and it truly does help the show grow in some big, big ways.

04:21 If, on Apple Podcasts, spotify, youtube whatever your platform of choice is here today that you're tuning in, just make sure to follow the show, subscribe to the show, and that's my greatest ask. Thank you so much. If you have already, and if not, seriously, it takes two to three seconds and it supports the show in incredible ways, helps us level up production, helps us get even more amazing guests like Jackson today. More importantly, it helps my mission of helping as many people as possible live a life ever forward. Welcome to the show. If you guys are watching the video and I hope you are Jackson is joining me in the brand new studio from Operation Podcast, where I'm also calling it the new EF headquarters. You know I got the little square fancy things in my mic. I like it. Thank you so much for being my guinea pig today, man.

05:06 I'm happy to be a guinea pig and this episode is going to be going live in June during National Men's Health Awareness Month. So I know a lot of guys tuning in are really going to be curious about what you have to say, what you have kind of made your mission and that is helping men become skilled lovers and improve sexual health. Become skilled lovers and improve sexual health. When I hear that it first makes me immediately think does this mean men are not already?

05:32 - Jackson (Guest) skilled lovers. Well, when you think about any practice, they become a master in right, any profession, whatever it may be. Usually you have some sort of education around it. You have some sort of master that you're working with, some sort of teacher, some sort of program and curriculum. In my experience and at least that's the sort of how I got started was that when I was younger I didn't have anyone to teach me anything about this sort of stuff, right, and I wasn't a skilled lover. And so you learn trial by fire, like sort of figuring it out. It's like walking through you know a room with a blindfold on and saying, like you know, try to get to the other side, and you've never been in the room before.

06:10 We all usually have some sort of training to become a doctor, become a lawyer, you know, whatever it may be this area in our lives, because of religion, society, propriety, whatever it is, we don't have a lot of training. So I would say that most people are not born skilled lovers. No. And men, you know, especially because we pride ourselves in our capacity to you know, perform in the bedroom and be good lovers, so to speak. But what are you doing to actually learn those skills Right. Are you learning from a teacher? You're learning from someone who has more experience than you do. Are you taking videos, trainings, workshops, reading books, whatever it may be? Some people don't care about it, but a lot of guys do, and so that's. You know where I come in.

06:47 - Chase (Host) Improve sexual health. What's wrong with our sexual health now that it needs to be improved? Wow.

06:53 - Jackson (Guest) Well, number one, testosterone decline has been a major, major issue. Some studies have said that up to 40% average decline over the last 40 years for the general male population, which means that my levels now would be 40% less than what they would have been if I was living in 1980.

07:14 - Chase (Host) I've heard as high as 50.

07:16 - Jackson (Guest) Yeah, so there's something going on there and that's a function of environment. It's a function of plastics, it's a function of what we're spraying on our crops. It's a function of the kind of water that we're drinking. There's a function of plastics. It's a function of what we're spraying on our crops. It's a function of the kind of water that we're drinking.

07:27 There's a host of issues that go into it, creating what's called phytoestrogen, which is like fake estrogen, so it's like synthetic estrogen that acts like estrogen but isn't actually the real hormone. That basically just saps our bodies. It gets stored in fat cells. And when it's stored in fat cells, so that means if you're obese and you don't have sedentary lifestyle, you're going to have more of that. And what it does in like sort of the simplest terms, it sort of caps your ability to produce testosterone properly. So we're getting capped on the testosterone level, um, and it's just going down in our environment. It's just filled with toxic chemicals. Um, that also leads to sperm decline. Right, there was an israeli study that came out a number of months ago which talked about sperm levels declining for men. Um, I think, using like numbers, like almost up to like 50 percent um for where they used to be, and that's because if testosterone is going down right, you're not going to have as high sperm counts, right? The motility changes. The morphology, which is what the sperm looks like, changes.

08:26 - Chase (Host) Sperm need to be aesthetically pleasing, actually, in order to get from point a to point b some guy listening right now is like all right, I've been trying to train my pecs, my body. I kind of get the perfect shape and you're like now I got. How do I train my sperm? You know, I want the most aesthetic looking sperm. I know it's wild.

08:41 - Jackson (Guest) So, um, how fast they swim. It's a wild process and you know. You look at infertility, and infertility is on the rise and most people think that infertility is actually only caused by women. That's just not true. They say like up to 30 to 40% of infertility cases are due to low sperm count, low sperm viability, deranged morphology is what they call it when they're not aesthetically pleasing. So you've got that. You know issue that's happening. And then you also have, like you know, this lifestyle that we live right, which we moved more into sort of sedentary lifestyles, fast food or, as a culture, at least in America, like much more obesity, right. And again, the trigger is if you're more obese, you're automatically going to have more phytoestrogen in your body.

09:27 So the key to actually people ask me, like, what's the best way to like, increase your t? It's to lose fat. If you're fat in any way, your bmi is over 25, 26, um, losing fat is the best way to increase it, naturally, without needing to do anything else, without taking supplements or pharmaceuticals or anything. So there's a couple different things that are happening right now to men, and you know you have to look at it from a meta level, right, like our culture and our society, if men are having less testosterone in their system, testosterone is not evil. Testosterone is literally the most important hormone for men in our bodies. It's what makes us men, but it also helps with a number of other functions immunity issues and it also affects our will, our drive, our sort of like zest for life, right. And so you guys with low yeah, that's the ability, exactly right. You guys with sort of lower T or symptomatically low energy, lethargy, depression, whatever it is, usually it's because they don't have high T levels.

10:23 And so, as a culture, if that's that's affecting us en masse, right, um, where men are having low T, that's good and more estrogen in their bodies, well, if you can extrapolate that like how does that affect our behaviors? How does that affect the way we show up in the world as men? So we're seeing a lot of things in the culture right now where, you know, men aren't being men, men aren't in their masculine, whatever it may be. There's just a lot of interesting things to think about. As it relates to like cause, again, it's not necessarily men's fault. We're being flooded with chemicals that are making us, you know, our bodies are like wait a minute, why is there so much estrogen in here, right? And the body doesn't know what's going on. So it affects behaviors, it affects attitudes, it affects how we show up in the world. So there's a lot going on right now with men and it's tough.

11:13 - Chase (Host) I hear, in what you've been describing thus far kind of like two poles, there's the being a skilled lover, understanding skill sets in the bedroom.

11:27 - Speaker 3 (Host) I call it sexual dynamics. Sexual dynamics Perfect, of course, you've got a great term for it?

11:36 - Chase (Host) There's the sexual dynamic portion, but then there's also the biological portion. Do we need to focus on one before the other? Can we be successful in one without the other?

11:42 - Jackson (Guest) Yeah, Fantastic question. They're intertwined and they should be worked on at the same time. Some of this things that we teach in the sexual dynamics portion are going to help with the physiological issues that men might have. So what I didn't mention there I mentioned testosterone, I mentioned sperm quality. There's also erectile dysfunction. There's performance anxiety.

12:05 - Chase (Host) Right, that's probably kind of getting more towards like the the end of the spectrum.

12:07 - Jackson (Guest) exactly, actual physiological problems, yeah, exactly other than just yeah, I'm struggling right, so men can struggle for what I, what I've experienced through, like the thousands of dms that I'm getting you know, um on a weekly basis, is there's guys that are having sexual issues, that are younger, right, they're having ED type symptoms in their 20s, 20s, 20s 20s and like early 30s, those ED issues, in my estimation, in my understanding, are more psychological as it relates to porn.

12:37 And then the older guys. Obviously, as you get older, there's physiological changes that happen in the body less circulation. Get older, there's physiological changes that happen in the body less circulation, less vascularity um, that can cause sort of ED issues as it relates to, you know, guys in their forties and fifties. Um, both of those issues can be alleviated at some level by learning some of these physio like these practices right in the sexual dynamics. So they actually go together Okay, um, because if you learn, you know, uh, learning how to do kegels, learning how to do edging things like that in the sexual dynamics piece, guys can do kegels. Oh yeah, it's literally the most important exercise that men should do for their sexual health. Okay.

13:16 And I'm doing it right now. I'm literally doing kegels right now. I need an adult.

13:21 I need an adult. So it's super easy to do. It's just you know the flow of urine when you stop. You know the flow of urine, that pulse, that's what a kegel is, and so, doing that exercise, it does three things. And this is science, this is like scientifically proven to help alleviate erectile dysfunction, help alleviate premature ejaculation, actually help guys last longer, because if he can control that, that flow and you're in the moment in that experience, and you can sort of slow things down and breathe while controlling that flow, you're able to last longer than you might normally last. Um, so, um, yeah, so, ed, and then, oh, so the kegels, so yeah you can do kegels.

14:01 You can do them on zooms, you can sit them on the couch, you can do them wherever you want. Um, you don't need to go to a gym. And it's the single oh. And the last one is prostate health. It helps with the. It's healthy for prostate because you're actually putting and exercising energy into that part of a man's body. So a lot of it is genetics. A lot of people say, oh, you need to be ejaculating 21 times a month as a 60-year-old man in order to alleviate prostate health, and I'm like I don't know if I believe that, I don't know if that's causal, but that's what a lot of urologists say Pretty busy it's a lot especially for an older guy and releasing that much life force.

14:34 It's problematic to me, but exercising that part of your body as a man I think men store a lot of stuff there, right, we're like these tough, you know, machismo characters and then you know you have this area of the body that um doesn't get a lot of love all the time, you know, and so just exercising it and putting energy into that spot, I think you know helps a lot with that Um. So learning the, the, the sexual dynamics, helps with the physiological, uh, issues that men might have. So they go hand in hand. And then there's obviously some things that you would learn that have nothing to do with the physiological part. But if you learn all these skills and you don't, you know you can learn whatever you want, but if it doesn't work properly, it's not going to be that effective.

15:17 - Chase (Host) So when I hear skills, I think a lot of guys might be thinking I got to learn moves. I got to learn the moves. It's you know. I got to become stronger to support my partner. I got to have the mobility. The finesse, is that what we're talking about? Or when you say sexual dynamics, is it you know? Even a step beyond.

15:35 - Jackson (Guest) It's so. It's definitely part of it. Right. There's the, the, the act right, which everyone sort of thinks about. Guys mostly go to like Okay, well, what am I going to do? Where am I putting? Where am I putting your leg? Where am I putting my body? How?

15:45 - Chase (Host) can I position?

15:46 - Jackson (Guest) Exactly so what I really encourage men is to think of this experience much more broadly and much more holistically, and we start way back into like let's actually learn about your body, right? So you think?

16:00 - Speaker 6 (Host) about sex ed in school. Not sex ed in school. Not sex ed in school. Not sex ed in school. Not sex ed in school. Not sex ed in school. Not sex ed in school. Not sex ed in school. Not sex ed in school. Not sex ed in school. Not sex ed in school. Not sex ed in school. Not sex ed in school. Not sex ed in school.

16:17 - Jackson (Guest) A connection to our sexual energy. Like what is the sexual energy? What is that life force right? Energy? What is that life force right? Um, and then it's about understanding the female right in a heteronormative you know situation, understanding female body and dynamics and erogenous zones and you know how to approach and all that sort of stuff. Then it's moving into before. That is like connecting with a partner, right? How does that actually? You know work, like texting, communicating, consent, connection, beyond the physical, oh exactly yeah, just connecting in that regard and like what are you doing here?

16:45 right, it's it. Sex is a spiritual experience. You're literally inside of a woman like you are connected on a very, very, very deep level. Um, so, whether you want to recognize or acknowledge that or not, it's intense, it's a, it's a beautiful thing. And then you get into the, the pre, which is more of like the foreplay, of like understanding.

17:05 Okay, well, women's bodies are different. It takes women a lot longer to achieve orgasm than it does a man, and women need to be stimulated in a variety of different ways that men don't necessarily need to be. So it's about sharing that information and it gets into, you know, foreplay, erogenous zones, different ways of connecting. What's the flow where you should be focusing your energy to unlock certain parts of her right and allow her to surrender and feel safe and comfortable in those experiences, because that's really the most important thing as men that we can do. Then you get into the act and the moves and things like that.

17:39 And then there's the aftercare right, the after the act. So it's not just like, oh, I'm going to go and do my thing. It's like, if you want to be really proficient and have like a very, very, you know, strong skillset in this area. It's understanding. Well, how am I after? How do we communicate after? Physically, verbally? What kind of communication does a woman need? Right, and I, you know, I tell guys, I'm like, you know, this woman is allowing you to be inside of her. Right, think about that. It's a really powerful thing. We as men don't have that experience.

18:09 Yeah, Ever, Heterosexual men don't ever experience that. And so I'm like, think about what that might feel like and then put yourself in her shoes and then you know, usually guys like, oh, it's a simple, simple, it's a simple little like, oh, wait a minute, like I do, yeah, let me think about this a little bit. You know more deeply, and so when we get into so it's not just the act, it's it's starting with you and then other, and then connected as partners, and then how do you go through that experience? So it's, it's pretty robust.

18:42 - Chase (Host) It's a robust, uh, platform take us back to the, you, the, before we ever get into the foreplay, which I think is where I used to go and I think a lot of guys might still. Yeah, to become more sexually dynamic, to get these skill sets you think again, the moves, but also it's focusing on your partner. Yeah, I love how you brought up you got to start with you. You got to know your body. You got to have confidence in your body. You got to be able to know love, trust, touch, feel, appreciate, respect your own body. I'm kind of adding on words here, can you kind of walk the guy through.

19:16 What does that look like, what are some practices we can develop and really why that's so important and how it directly translates into the next step getting to do that with your partner.

19:26 - Jackson (Guest) Exactly. What I have learned is that most men don't have a healthy connection to their own sexual energy. The vast majority of that is because of porn. So most men have watched porn. Many are addicted to porn, many watch much more than they should. And when you do that, you're actually creating dopamine pathways, right? The dopamine reward response of like, how do I get pleasure? Right. And so if, if porn is this sort of hardcore, visceral nature of like, well, this is how I'm going to get pleasure, this is how I'm going to get sexual intimacy, so to speak. It's not, I'm going to get aroused.

20:04 - Chase (Host) Right.

20:04 - Jackson (Guest) I'm going to get aroused. Then you're sort of training yourself in a way that isn't necessarily the most healthy, because A it's teaching you all the wrong moves and B it's training your brain. It actually causes neuroplastic changes in your brain. Video watching, hardcore video watching, changes that structure so that when you're with a partner you don't you get a lot of ED because you're not actually connected. So what I say is, if men can develop a healthy connection, understanding to their own sexual energy, then they're going to be able to have that when they're with a partner. Um, if you have an unhealthy connection to yourself, you're masturbating to porn a lot. Um, you're addicted to sort of all that sort of stuff. Right, that's not really helping you with real interpersonal dynamics.

20:51 It's going to be more challenging for you to be able to translate that into a healthy, loving connection, partnership and sexual relationship with a person. So we start there. We start with also understanding like your semen creates life right. And so you know I talk about edging a lot and everyone's like, oh, it's edgy, it's been around for a long time.

21:09 This isn't something, you know, that I made up. This has been around as a practice of. If you understand that, that, that that your ejaculate creates a life, right, that's how powerful and potent it is. When you're doing, when you're self-pleasuring or whatever maybe you're actually creating, you're creating the movement of, of fluid in your body, right, and men understand that. But you're also creating energy, right, that happens with the um moving in towards a more of like a, the climax of the experience. Right, you create energy.

21:40 Guys are like, oh, but what about blue balls? Well's, because you've you've moved fluid, but you've also created energy and the energy becomes stagnant because you don't necessarily know how to move it up your system. So a lot of the stuff that I teach at the first level is like I teach about edging. I teach about how do you move that energy that you've cultivated up so that you don't won't move it out, right, so if that energy creates life and you don't release it and you're putting it, that energy up inside you, it's powerful, it's a little bit esoteric, it's a little bit woo, woo.

22:07 - Chase (Host) This was all new to me when I dove into last year Um, I guess two years ago the way the superior man, this whole concept, I rewound this section where you're talking about probably five times. Um, it's really wild stuff, but if you think about it and apply it, very interesting. Yeah, yeah, and I'm very doable.

22:26 - Jackson (Guest) Oh yeah, and I say to guys you know how you feel after you come. You know, I was like think about how you feel, how you are with yourself, how you are as a relationship to the person that you were just intimate with. It just shifts. There's a shift. You're usually less connected, usually more satiated. You usually don't want to be, as you know, in the moment with them, right, your mind goes off to other things. It's because hormones are released in your body that are causing you to be like low libido, low arousal, low. You know you're not gonna be really engaged in that experience anymore.

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24:36 - Jackson (Guest) Well, what if you could do something that allowed you to feel powerful even throughout that? Maybe you forego this little tiny like orgasm moment, right, but you get high.

24:47 And that's why I thought about it. I'm like you can get high from doing the practices that I share. You know you can get high. And so, like David Data, montauk Chee, all these masters they've been talking about this stuff for a long time it's just about bringing it into the level of like the masses, where it's like hey guys, you know, if you don't like the way you feel after this or you want to be a more powerful person in the world, why don't fighters come before fights, right? So I try to create these metaphors.

25:12 Guys understand fighting. They're like oh cause, they want to be full of their juice. Well, why wouldn't you want that for most of your life? Like you know, every day isn't a battle, but you have to sort of extrapolate down. You know big meetings, whatever it is that you're doing, and it's just like that conservation of life force. So actually it was funny. I don't know if this is true or not, but someone said that you know Mike Tyson, when he's prime he actually would come, because if he didn't, he would actually kill the guy. So he wanted to be less powerful, right?

25:41 So hopefully, you know I don't know what he's going to do with this, but the Paul guy but um so. So it's getting in touch with yourself. It's learning edging practices, learning kegels, right? It's learning about how your system works so that you can be the most optimal. It's about mastering yourself, right. As men, we love to master things, we love to have control over what it is that we're doing, and in the sexual realm, we often give our energy away to porn and masturbation, which I think is just sort of a waste of energy, and we give our energy away to whether it's dating apps or whatever it is like we want to cultivate more and bring that energy in so that we can be more powerful.

26:19 When I do these practices, you know, if I'm going out or something like that and I'll do a self-pleasure and I'll edge right and I won't actually release before I'm going out into the world, I'm more powerful. I can feel it because my energy is there and I'm confident. And then the energy that I get attracting back to me oftentimes from women, they can feel it too because you've cultivated this field almost right, whereas you know, if you do the opposite, you don't attract that same energy. And so I'm like hey guys, you know, let's get in touch with yourself. Understand your own life force, energy, understand that, that, that, how powerful that is.

26:53 Understand that like that energy at least in the Taoist philosophies that I've studied that energy isn't infinite, Right, and so when you're dissipating it all the time, you're sort of just like that power is going down, down, down, down down. So that's, that's, that's the philosophy of more, of the Taoist, which is Chinese philosophy of of living. Is that you know, this energy that we're creating, it's, it's. They call it immortality. It's really just like living as long as you can, as healthy as you can, as powerfully as you can.

27:21 Um, obviously, immortality is it's more of a metaphor but, um, if you're able to cultivate more of that, as as a man, then you will live more powerfully, because that juice, basically, is feeding you, right, that energy that you create is feeding you. So that's what we start out with, um, and it's, you know, for for a lot of guys, it's going to be like a real shift, you know, of like understanding of the way that they look at their sexuality, right Cause a lot of the guys have never necessarily heard about stuff like this before, and so, um, you know, we have great conversations and guys are like huh, and all I want to hear is that like oh, that's it, and just like get the wheels turning in a different direction, To begin to think differently.

28:00 - Chase (Host) I have to imagine because I've been there. Some guys might be listening and going I'm uncomfortable, I don't feel comfortable, I don't feel allowed to do any of this outside of sex with my partner probably old school religion of I'm not allowed to do this without my spouse. I know I've been there. The thought of doing any of this stuff with myself to myself felt forbidden and wrong and shameful. How would you talk to a guy to kind of go through that hurdle first, then get into what we just talked about?

28:34 - Jackson (Guest) It's interesting. I got similar feedback after another interview that I did from someone that had listened, and so I didn't grow up with sort of the religion and the suppression of the sexuality when. And so, um, I didn't grow up with sort of the religion and the suppression of the sexuality when I was younger, so I don't have personal experience with that, but what I can say is, um, you know, sexuality is your birthright, right and like that's why we're all here, right, and so if you're able to acknowledge that you know what religion plays or what, what your parents or your society, whatever it may be, we're moving into a new realm, right, of sexual open-mindedness. You know, there's a lot of stuff going on in the culture and society, but I would say is, if, if you think about um, you know what, like what, what are you doing with yourself? Right, and then what are you doing with your partner? And then, maybe just communicating that with your partner, I've been like, hey, these are some things that I want to practice and I want to try. A, are you comfortable with that? B, would you like to try it with me? Right, Cause when I talk about edging with guys, I always say you should try doing it, um, first by yourself, because it's going to be a lot easier for you to you know, it's going to be a lot easier for you to learn how to do it by yourself, because it's a very it's a simple practice but it's really hard, because if a man is on the brink of release, the most difficult thing in the world for a man to do is actually to actively choose to not release.

29:59 And when you're with a partner it gets a lot more complicated. So I say, start on yourself first. But I would say, look, if you're not ready to move into these things, it's okay. But I would say, I would encourage you and I like to push people to their edges a little bit and I would say, look, take an opportunity to see what this might do for you. Have an open, candid conversation with your partner and if that's something that you guys are comfortable with, give it a shot. You know, doing kegels and things like that, like that's just for your own body, everyone should be able to do that. Um, because, again, it's just. You know, it's like you go into the gym, but you're just going to a gym for the different part of your, of your system.

30:34 - Chase (Host) So you think by us talking to our partner more about it, it is going to help us work through any potential shame around doing that with ourself to ourself.

30:44 - Jackson (Guest) I think, partners and also, if there's, you know, shame, obviously getting into some sort of therapy around. You know where does that come from? Um, talking and communication, in my understanding, is the most important thing for any type of positive and healthy sexual dynamic communicating your desires, your preferences, your fears. Um, we don't communicate a lot in our culture about our desires, our fears, our kinks, our fetishes, whatever it may be.

31:11 - Chase (Host) And we probably lie to ourselves the most.

31:12 - Jackson (Guest) Oh for sure. Right, because there's a lot of like oh, if I do this, then I'm X. Exactly. The reality is like that doesn't exist in my world. Like you can be into whatever you want to be into. Own it, right, as long as you're not harming anyone else. Right, own it and then cultivate a practice around it, right, and then find people, or find a partner or whatever it may be, that are actually like into the things that you're into.

31:35 Because I think a lot of times in our sexual dynamic you know sexual relationships with partners you know one partner is into A, the other partner is into B they never communicate those desires and they're sort of just like walking through this maze together but they never really connect in that way. It's like, what are you into, right? Because it's like, oh, a woman's into this, and so people are going to think this way about her. We can be into all sorts of things. You know, sexuality is where we actually get to explore and I think that most people in their lifetime they sort of scratch the surface of what their sexual energy can create, maybe like 5% of what's possible. So it's a very small area that we're most people are focused in.

32:13 You know you talk about BDSM and kink and fetishes and whatnot, and that's not for everybody, but there's things to explore that really turn people on. So it's like, why can't we? You know, I've got a client that I'm working with and so it's about he's having this issue with who he is in the world and then who he wants to be when he's with an intimate partner, and they're kind of diametrically opposed. And you know, I'm like well, what if you could just own both of those right and find the space and find the right person, you know, to have that experience?

32:43 - Chase (Host) As kind of a for lack of a better term split identity. I really fully, strongly aligned with this role and dynamic personality in this scene. But then in this scene it's another.

32:54 - Jackson (Guest) Exactly so, owning both of them and realizing that you can be multiple personalities or multiple identities in the same um, in the same body and just in different scenarios. Because, again, I think, if the religion came in and it was like I shouldn't do this. You know I shouldn't be practicing this, or.

33:11 I shouldn't feel this way and it's bad to feel this way and it's bad to feel pleasure from feeling this way. You know, um, I think I don't know, like Osho he talks about. Like you have to love your lust and your greed and your joy and your pleasure and your pain, and you have to love all of it, Right? And this sort of like unity, consciousness component, like you're all of those things. And if you start saying, like this part of me is bad, well, that's not going to be helpful to anybody, you know, because it's not bad, especially not yourself. It's just exactly. And then you're just sort of self-shaming, self-sabotaging, owning it and saying, hey, this is okay and you're going to have to break through some of the stuff that's kept you back.

33:48 - Chase (Host) You know, in those scenarios, you brought up where I think a lot of people might assume topics like this would go BDSM, kink, just kind of the more the other end of the spectrum of just uh, I hate to say wild, but you know very different um, sexual dynamics and practices and things people are into. People, I think, in order to expand on their sexual dynamics, should push the edge a little bit. But they don't need to go that full land. Maybe that's you down the road. So how would you kind of, uh, walk somebody through? What does it take, what does it look like, just to explore. I don't know what I'm into, I don't think I'm into anything, or I don't know what my edge is, but I don't want to do that, at least not right now. How do we kind of safely and incrementally push our sexual dynamic edge?

34:39 - Jackson (Guest) Yeah, so it was interesting because in my programs and stuff I don't really talk about much of that stuff at all. I'm starting at like, let's start at the basics, right. But what I know is that you know there's a. If you, if you Googled like top 50 things and fetishes and kinks, you'd have a list Right, and it's even as simple as going into that. You know, search, looking at that stuff, talking about it with a partner and being like, are you into that?

35:02 Yes, no maybe right At its simplest level. That's what we can do Right, like I like this or like that's a maybe or that's a hard no.

35:08 - Chase (Host) Didn't even know what that is, but I'm interested Exactly. Then you have to Google it. It's like okay got it Interesting?

35:13 - Jackson (Guest) No, um, but it's as simple as that. And and then, being with someone, you basically have to set the stage, and you don't do it while you're in the intimate act, you do it beforehand. It's like, oh cool, let's have an afternoon where we look at this stuff and like we explore it, and then you go and say, okay, which ones are the ones that are aligned? Right, and if none of them are aligned, that's okay. But if some of them are, maybe you go and explore that together. And it's always about communication. It's about creating a safe environment, right. It's about having safe words that you use, especially if you're getting into pain type things or whatever people are into. Be safe everybody.

35:49 Safe, consensual, always. But again, it's the communication and it's an open mind and nonjudgmental space. That's the most important thing, because with sex, sexuality, we, we, especially men, we're so it's such a vulnerable area for us and so if we ever feel like we're being attacked or judged or this or that, generally speaking, we shell up.

36:17 you know, I think as men, it's very hard for us to receive feedback in that area of our lives. So I always say, like, communicate especially as women communicate to men with compassion, with love, with a lot of ego stroking if that's what's needed to make the guy feel safe and comfortable, that you're on the same team, right, that's. That's something that's really important. That I've seen is that the way we communicate with each other is often more important than what's actually being communicated. Right, if you feel like you are held in a space because men need to feel that way especially as it relates to sex, absolutely.

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38:27 You talk to a lot of guys, you work with a lot of guys and I'm assuming this has to come up. I'm trying some things out. I'm pushing my sectional dynamic edge with myself, for myself, and now I'm doing it with and for my partner. My partner isn't as on board as I am. How do we help our partner get to more of the open mind aspect before we try to convince them or strong are them, or sway them to just just get on board because I am. This is what I want? How do we first go to open mind and then see where we can really get on board together?

39:10 - Jackson (Guest) It really depends on your dynamic, right, and it depends on who you know, as, as people are in partnerships, right, and as you age and as you grow partners. One partner can sometimes move in a direction of like hey, I'm on a real growth path, and the other partner may be like hey, I'm not on that path. And then you sort of have this like divergence, right. Sometimes that leads to divorce, right, Sometimes that leads to like partners not being connected anymore. Um, it's the same thing with with the sexual dynamics and growth, right, and it's about a communicating like hey, I want to try this. Or hey, this is something great.

39:38 What I always say is start communicating the things that you like about the partner, that they do really well, Right, and then you move into like and I'd also like, I would love to try this, or slowly bring in something that you've been learning into your practice and see if it flows and how it and how it hits Right and how it and how it matches. Um, there's no right or wrong way to do it, but I always say if one partner is really open and the other partner is not, that partnership may not last, just because if one partner is going in a different direction and really wants to explore this stuff. The other partner needs to at least be open minded to like, OK, cool, and if that's not the case, then you sort of you're going to either deal with it and you won't be. Right.

40:21 But having that like fun and doing it in fun ways, where it's like we're doing this together, right?

40:27 - Chase (Host) This is not like one person telling the other person what to do Exactly.

40:31 - Jackson (Guest) Yeah, like, oh, I want to do this, or like I want you to do this. It's more like these are things that I really love. Can we try this Right? It's about bringing the person into the experience and again, with, with sex and whatnot, there's a lot, usually a lot, of trauma that happens when we're younger sometimes, or we are not afraid to use our voice or, you know, shameful because of whatever it may be. Um, there's a lot that goes into, you know, the trauma as we grow up and how it affects us sexually, and so just being super understanding and super compassionate as a partner of like this may never work. This my partner may never shift from where they are and I need to be okay with that. But you know, you know you got to shoot your shot, which is like, hey, I'd love to explore this with you because you know, I, you know whatever it may be, and then trying that but again, communication, consent, compassion is is really big, um, and bringing it into the fold of like I want to do this with you.

41:31 - Chase (Host) I want to experience this with you and elevating yourself together. Exactly, Exactly. What about I hear this from a lot of long-term relationship couples you begin to dive more into sexual dynamics, you begin to push the edges sexually because you're not having as much sex or you don't feel that same kind of sexual connection energy. What would you recommend as a way for someone to go down that path?

41:52 - Jackson (Guest) One of the things that happens with long-term relationships is the level of familiarity with each other increases, which can sometimes have a negative correlation to the level of um. You know, arousal that's stimulated. So it's about creating time and again. This is what I, a lot of my friends who have been in long-term relationships like 10 years, eight years you know things like that. Um, I don't have personal experience with that, just FYI. Um is that you're setting specific time where all you're doing is connecting with each other and there's nothing else going on, where it's date night, this night and this night and we're doing this Um. And it's also about like creating um. I always say like having having two bathrooms right, where it's like the stuff that you're doing in the mundane parts of life works.

42:39 My friend right it's like let's separate that as much as we can, so that there's a bit of novelty when your partner is getting dressed to go out for the evening and you come together. Those are some little things, right, like the less familiar you become with each other, which is super hard. You're living together, you're sleeping in the same bed, you may have children together, right, and things just sort of have this routine. I think the relationships and the sexual relationships, they take a lot of work. It takes a lot of work in order to, um, keep them exciting. Right, men and women have different cycles during the day that they're most turned on. You know, um, most men and women work all day and they come home at night and, like, that's not really the most optimal time for a guy to be intimate because he's exhausted and his testosterone levels are the lowest throughout the day. Um, so it's. It's about finding ways to keep the creativity, to keep the connection, to try and explore. You sort of have to have a growth oriented mindset, right, relationships are work.

43:38 The sexual part of the relationships are also a lot of work. You know, getting into practices where you know there's, you know, maybe there's massage, right, where you guys are focusing on that, and it's just like physical touch right, being physical but not necessarily yet sexual, exactly Right, but where you're just connecting with your partner. So there's lots of things to to explore and it's just about like trying new things and being open-minded. You know it does with any parts of your relationship, but with the sexual, the sex part, you know, creating time away from your children, making sure you have vacation, you know, and these are simple things, everybody knows this stuff. But do you make time for it?

44:13 Cause then you know, what I hear is that like, oh, you get married, you have less and less and less and less sex, and it's're putting an emphasis right when does the hierarchy of needs in your relationship and where does the sexual energy and the sexual relationship fall? So if the sexual relationship falls to the bottom of the hierarchy, you're not going to, you're not going to be as stimulated in that area. But if it's more at the top of that pyramid of what we both need with each other, then you make time for it, you know. So there's no sort of like silver bullet answer, but it's it's again it's about. It's a where are you putting your energy right? If your attention goes there, you know, I guarantee you that you're going to at least have more you know conversations and more experiences together, because you're both are focused on it, you know.

44:59 - Chase (Host) It was the phrase where your focus goes energy flows. Yes, exactly, yeah, I'd love to bring it back. Let's bring it back to the guy now. Yeah, libido, I think, is probably the word that comes to mind for most guys when we're talking about what we're talking about. Yeah. How do I maintain it as I get older? No-transcript. How would you kind of define libido and what is the current relationship you have for life?

45:27 - Jackson (Guest) Because I think that the more turned on you are with your own life, the more turned on you are in those sexual and intimate experiences and you may be more interested and more outgoing, and whatever it may be. And so, if you are following your purpose, following your passion, you're healthy, you're working out, you're in your body, right, you're physically fit, you're mobile, um, you're not super stressed, right, because stress is a huge libido killer. All of that stuff in your life is going to create this energy, right? And also, like the physiological piece, the testosterone, if your t is low, you're not going to have that, that arousal, that zest, you know. So it's about keeping everything as elevated as we can, um, mental, physical, spiritual, emotional, and like not having super stress at work.

46:30 - Speaker 5 (Host) Um, to me, it's the feeling and sensation that we have in our lives and then that translates into what it is that we're doing, and sexually, in order to actually, in order to actually, in order to actually, in order to actually, in order to actually, in order to actually, in order to actually, in order to actually, in order to actually, in order to actually, in order to actually, in order to actually in order to actually in order to engaging the way that I did when I was 20.

46:59 - Jackson (Guest) Um, but keeping um, you know a it's. It's it's the health piece is a huge component of it. It's making sure you get your markers tested and you know where a it's it's. It's the health piece is a huge component of it. It's making sure you get your markers tested and you know where your T levels are at. It's about taking herbs and food and supplements that are going to be helpful for you as you get older and whether we want it or not, some guys are like, oh, I don't want to take any. You know supplements, I'm like you don't have to, but like herbs are like food. So it's kind of like eating boom. Um, taking herbs that are going to help with circulation, with blood flow and things like that. Um are going to help and support healthy libido. Um, and being in an environment where you know you're you're turned on with your life. If you're doing something you don't love doing, you're depressed. You know you have this Monday, whatever. It's hard to have that libido Cause again.

47:43 - Chase (Host) It's that zest if you can't turn on yourself, how can you expect anybody else to, if your life and if what you're doing not to say everybody's situation is the same, but if you are not at least actively in pursuit of developing, honing, optimizing and loving your life? I mean, bro, start there. Yeah, how can you expect anybody else to get on board if you can't?

48:04 - Jackson (Guest) exactly, exactly, so that we will sayido most people think of it as sex, but like it's also just like what are you? What is your drive for life? Right, and there's the physiological, the mental, the spiritual. All of it goes together. And you know, here we are. So, yeah, does libido have the potential to go down as you get older? Yeah, but also, you're probably a lot busier doing a lot of other things, like you're building businesses or you're working or you're building a family, but there's ways, you know. Cultivating it is key, you know, and it's like what am I doing every day to make sure that I'm the highest vibration possible? Right, I'm the highest version of myself, you know, and and everyone is different, everyone- has a different situation and not everyone's.

48:41 You know running their own business.

48:51 - Chase (Host) Some people are employees, employers, whatever it may be, but you know it's, it's an important part of of our lifestyle and it's a mix of physiological as well. Um, if you could give us one super obvious libido killer that you still just see running rampant in most men, and what would be something to remedy that and what is maybe one that you think is maybe the silent libido killer that most guys might not be aware of at all or completely downplay too much?

49:12 - Jackson (Guest) so I'll throw one out there. That's kind of interesting, but like porn is a really tough one, right, it's not? Necessarily as a libido killer yeah, because if a guy's watching porn and he's masturbating a lot and he's releasing and releasing and releasing, he's getting tons of prolactin in his system.

49:31 And his prolactin is the hormone that men, other women um, both men and women have it, but women release it when they're breastfeeding, so the baby becomes satiated and content and happy and relaxed. But men also release it after they ejaculate and so if you're watching a bunch of porn and you're ejaculating all day long, you're going to be, generally speaking, less full of libido. So prolactin in your body cuts libido. It makes you satiated, content and happy. That, to me, is one of the biggest ones and it's something. And it's definitely silent because you hit on it. I talked about this in one of my posts, but nobody knows if you're addicted to porn, except you and your search history.

50:15 And Google knows if you're addicted to porn, but you know it doesn't show up like other addictions. It doesn't show up like you know, a gambling addiction, a drug addiction, a heroin addiction, a pharmaceutical drug addiction, addiction addiction a drug addiction, heroin addiction, a pharmaceutical drug addiction. Because the only things that you know are, like your search history, and usually women know by the way, that you have sex with them. That's how someone knows if you're addicted to porn. But it's causing a host of other issues with, with, with men, right. It's causing sexual dysfunction, it's causing performance anxiety, it's causing premature ejaculation, it's causing all this stuff that happens and men don't necessarily recognize it.

50:47 They don't know how powerful porn is in a negative way for their, for their bodies. But it also, um, you know you could be doing it a couple of times a day, but I would argue, what would your libido and your zest for life be like if you didn't do that? Right, that's sort of the question, right? So, yeah, I, you know I have enough energy, I can do it three times and I'm still going. But what if you channeled that energy into something else?

51:08 - Chase (Host) If nothing else, you took that time. I mean, you took that time and applied it to Go do something else. Do a hobby, communicate with your partner. Exactly Right.

51:18 - Jackson (Guest) Like go start a new craft or go start a new exercise, whatever it may be. So I would say, you know, because that's one of that I'm pushing and I'm encouraging men, is to rethink their relationship with porn, because I've seen just so many issues where it's so detrimental to their health and to the way that they think about themselves, creates depression. It's a whole host of stuff that happens. So that's my answer.

51:39 - Chase (Host) And then, what about you think? Was that the silent one or the more obvious one?

51:43 - Jackson (Guest) No, that's the silent one.

51:44 - Chase (Host) The more obvious one, I would say, is an obvious one that guys might kind of know or we hear about, but you really want to remind them. Hey, actually, no, don't let this go unchecked any longer.

51:58 - Jackson (Guest) So bringing it back to testosterone and things like that, the environmental factors that I think are the most important that men can avoid, and things like that. The environmental factors that I think are the most important that men can avoid. Number one is eating food that is sprayed with chemicals, so like non-organic food. Essentially, Atrazine is a major pesticide that's sprayed on all non-organic crops and it's basically like directly correlated to massive amounts of phytoestrogen in your system. Again, phytoestrogen creates more estrogen in your body. Sorry, it acts like estrogen in your body and it caps your T. Your T and your libido are directly correlated. If you have low T, you're not going to have a lot of libido. If you have higher T, you're going to have more libido. So I would say what you're putting in your body, what you're putting on your body surfactants and soaps and things like that Like making sure that there aren't a lot of chemicals in those and plastics you know there's a whole list of, like they're called, estrogenic or endocrine disrupting factors.

52:57 Microplastics is huge, so avoid plastic wherever you can. It was like simple, like avoid plastics. Use steel or stainless steel or glass. Eat organic food, you know. Eat wild caught fish. No corn, no soy, no grain, like that sort of stuff that you know. Again, it takes time, effort and maybe more money, but you invest in yourself on the front end.

53:15 So you don't have these issues as you get older, right Cause you have to think about it. Like all of these chemicals and pesticides in our system, they started, you know, 50, 60 years ago and then you're seeing testosterone levels drop, you know, over the last 40 years. Well, I wonder why, right like it's, it's correlated, if no one will say what it is because they're like, oh, it's not causal, but you have to, you have to just think, you know critically about it, right? So you have plastics, you have, you know, um, things in like even sunscreen, like food products, like what is in our water that we're drinking, right, right, and it's death by a thousand cuts. So it's not just like you know, it takes time for these things to happen and affect your body. So food you eat, avoiding plastics, and then you know no porn.

53:56 - Chase (Host) You brought up testosterone and I think that's where most guys think libido comes from. There absolutely is Correlation, dare I even say causation low T most likely going to have low libido comes from there. Absolutely is correlation, dare I even say causation low t most likely going to have low libido. High t most likely going to have high libido. What about some other biomarkers we should be looking at, um, that aren't as obvious as testosterone to help with sexual dynamics? But damn sure, just libido in general, right, the the one that I look at is free tea.

54:28 - Jackson (Guest) Everyone looks at total tea. If your free tea isn't 2% of your total tea, you're technically not in an optimal state.

54:39 - Chase (Host) You might have it, but your body doesn't have enough free to actually use and apply.

54:45 - Jackson (Guest) Exactly so. The vast majority, 98% of our testosterone is bound either to albumin or to sex hormone binding globulin, which is SHBG SHBG you cannot. If you have high SHBG, you cannot use the testosterone that's attached to that ever. You can use the one that's attached to the albumin. So if you lower your SHBG, which means that more of it's going to be attached to the albumin, then you can use more of it and your free T will be 2% of your total T. So, to make it really simple, your free T should be 2% of total T. If it's not, you should lower your SHBG, right? How do we do that? It's tough, it's challenging, right? How do we do that? It's tough, it's challenging, right? One is like getting in shape, right. But even you know, even if you are in shape, you know people have used, I think, products like you know, dimm and other things like that. It's not necessarily like proven. If it was proven like this lowers SHBG, everyone would be taking it.

55:42 - Chase (Host) I've definitely heard DIMM helps with testosterone, but you're saying not necessarily sex binding.

55:46 - Jackson (Guest) Well, no Well. So it helps with testosterone because it's affecting SHBG. So it's lower down the chain.

55:53 Um, but another one is you know DHEA, right? Um, and DHEA levels should be, you know, at the upper 25 percentile of the reference range, and so if you know, if they're not, then you have to look. Cause DHEA is again the precursor to the steroid, the sex hormones. So DHEA and pregnenolone play a huge role in creating optimal sexual health. So, um, and there's like a, a map I can share with you about how it all works. Essentially it's. It's somewhat complicated, but DHEA is a hormone, pregnenolone is a hormone. Men can take those and play with their levels of pregnenolone and dha, because that's going to affect how the steroid hormones are created right, and how much testosterone you may have. So those are two other markers that I would say, and I actually have a guide and I can send it to all your readers whatever you want to do so I basically put a guide together of the 10 most important male blood markers and how they affect your body.

56:51 Right, because it's not. So. Everyone looks at T because T is like the final gate, but you have to go upstream. Yeah, right, and so upstream is like DHEA pregnenolone progesterone. Understanding DHT, right, which a lot of guys you know they've. Dht is interesting because it's like if you have a lot, I think if you have a lot of it, you don't have a lot of hair, but you could have more tea and they stopped giving it out to people because it created some other issues.

57:15 - Chase (Host) But it's complicated PSH, luteinizing hormone, all these things. There are so many other and I I've gone through the last couple of years, like really comprehensive labs quarterly now and my wife is an FNP, works in hormone health and optimization. No-transcript, I mean, don't downplay that, but also you might just be fighting the wrong battle. Exactly so, you might just be fighting the wrong battle Exactly.

58:04 - Jackson (Guest) You don't want to go directly at the T, you want to go with the things that affect the T.

58:08 - Chase (Host) right, cholesterol, right, that's a big one, huge, huge, for testosterone.

58:12 - Jackson (Guest) Cholesterol creates your sterile hormone Cholesterol. You know, dhea, pregnenolone, progesterone starting at the hormone level and then working with those and adjusting those, and then that's going to affect your T. So don't go for the T. Oh, what's going to raise my T? Well, dhea and pregnenolone relationship will help fix your T, but you're going to have to do some blood work and figure out where you sit and then you're going to have to do some blood work in four months or five months after you've put some, you know, maybe you start taking DHEA, micronized DHEA or micronized pregnenolone. The Um and the other big one for guys is is PSA, prostate specific antigen. So PSA is the indication of whether you have prostate cancer or not, and you want that as close to zero as possible. Um and that's all in the guide and you know, but but it's important to share that there's other things that we as men need to be looking at Um. We're not as complicated as women as it relates to to sexual health, but we're definitely more complicated than just the one dimensional tea.

59:07 Right, I mean, most guys don't even know about free tea. Right. So you could have, you know, 1100 testosterone. That's cool. But if you have, you know, 0.5% available free testosterone, you're not gonna be able to use much of it. So it's just sort of sitting there and it's bound, you know. But yeah, it's it's, and it gets complex. You know it's a little bit more complex than we think.

59:27 - Chase (Host) So can you walk us through maybe some, some medications you're familiar with, some, some supplementation, some herbs, some things that we can maybe incorporating into our daily wellness habits to support all the things that support tea, yeah.

59:38 - Jackson (Guest) So, you know, every region of the world has their own herbs, um that help with male uh, male sexual health and function. So the area that I focus most on is Chinese herbs. It's been around for 3,000 years. It's the oldest system of medicine in the world. It's pretty incredible. The herbs that are there that we really utilize are cistanche is a big one. It's C-I-S-T-A-N-C-H-E. Cistanche is like the male powerhouse super herb for male sexual function. It helps with nitric oxide production.

01:00:10 What I try to share with guys is like these herbs, they work on the organ systems of your body. They help the root causes. They're solution-oriented, they're not Band-Aids. So the way that I look at pharmaceuticals versus herbal medicine is that herbs are like they're actually treating the root cause of what's going on. They help your organ function. They're helping with your spotty systems because they're really intelligent, they're powerful, they're plants right, they're coming from mother nature Immunomodulators many of them, yeah, yeah. And so they're doing a lot of things that you know. Maybe pharmaceutical companies are talking about, but they're doing them on an internal level.

01:00:43 Um the you know. You know there's Tongkat Ali, there's Fidoja. Tongkat Ali is from, you know, malaysia and the Philippines. Um, fidoja is African. Um Makuna is from South America, so each area of the world has their own sort of uh, super herb right, jamaica's got some, the Caribbean has some. It's pretty wild.

01:00:59 So I would say, you know, um, find something that you align with right, that makes sense for you right, make sure it's really healthy and quality. The way that we do with Chinese herbs is that there's always a blend right. You don't just buy Sistanch right, because it could be caustic to your system. Right, these herbs are powerful, so you want something that has a number of different herbs in it, that rounded out the focus on other things, that can lead it into the right areas, and always better in a blend Right, because it's a holistic formula. Um, so that's what I always recommend. Sometimes, with single herbs it can get intense on your system. Um, you know, sometimes, like taking Tonka can can cause like a you know uh, uh your urethra to you know um, I guess get irritated.

01:01:43 Um, in some, in some cases that have good that happened, not for everybody like if people take it it's fine, but like you just want to be mindful of, like the dose you're doing and always cycling right. My programs or protocols are. It's about cycling. Why is?

01:01:54 - Chase (Host) cycling important.

01:01:55 - Jackson (Guest) Um, you don't want your body to get a to use to anything, but also you want to give your body time to absorb it without having to feed it new stuff. So I focus on programs that are like you take this product month one, you take the next product, month two, you get off of that product. You get onto a different product because of the way that these herbs are supposed to work with your system. Some herbs you're not supposed to take all the time, right? Some herbs you can take all the time, so it just depends.

01:02:20 - Chase (Host) It's a little bit more complicated than just like oh complicated than just like, oh, take this forever for the rest of your life. I like that just from the perspective also of you really get an opportunity to to get to know your body. Yeah, If you do you know anything. I think for 30 days brought you know, broadly speaking here, most things. You especially like a supplement or a whole food introduced to your diet. After 30 days you should either be at a saturation point or have familiarity with it enough to know other variables that are saying the same and you can go like, yes, I feel it, no, I don't, and or it's really directly influencing a biomarker. I love that you bring up cycling, because then you get the opportunity to really understand your baseline yeah exactly.

01:03:00 You get to understand oh, I might not have, I don't. I didn't think that I felt it as much when I was on it, but I damn sure notice it when I'm off. Yeah, exactly. Some things, especially when it comes to supplementation and nutrition. You notice it more when you're not taking it, which then makes you know oh, that's what it felt like Exactly no, that's actually a really brilliant point.

01:03:20 - Jackson (Guest) The off period is important and what I also say is, you know, with herbs, we live in a culture where it's like we want something fast and easy. And right now and you know, a lot of guys are like oh, I've taken it for 10 days, I don't feel anything. I'm like, hey, bro, like like this is food, like you eat chicken for 10 days, do you feel something? No, but like you got to just be a little bit more patient. Right, so the it's faster and it's immediate. Is it actually healing what's going on underneath or is it giving you some sort of like outsized gain? That's like quick and immediate. It's like, oh, you feel it.

01:03:52 I always say, like people look at the herbal route or the natural route as like a longer approach. Maybe it is, but if you get on a pharmaceutical to like alleviate something, what's most often going to happen is that's going to cause a host of other issues that you're going to have to fix, and so it's a much longer path ultimately than if you just started more of a natural approach. My philosophy is like as natural as possible for as long as possible. I understand that people have to do certain things, that pharmaceutical drugs are important for specific areas of their life. But when it comes to like treating root causes of more, like autoimmune type diseases or, you know, lack of circulate and stuff like that, I always say, like, start with a natural approach, because your body is very intelligent and if the plants are also really intelligent the herbs that we're using and when they're done properly, with the right formulations, blends and prepared in the right way, they have the capacity to work with your body. Think about how intelligent our bodies are. I mean we can fight off anything. They have the capacity to work with your body. Think about how intelligent our bodies are. I mean we can fight off anything. I mean it's amazing. So let's utilize that right.

01:04:51 Instead of you know, you give it a pharmaceutical, you know maybe you feel better in the moment, but what are the long-term effects of that? We sort of don't look months out, right. We're like, okay, I just want to fix something right away. So I understand both. Okay, I just want to fix something right away, so I understand both. And I understand a lot of people have different perspectives on this, but this is just my personal opinion. But yeah, I mean, taking these different herbs is really important for men as we get older. Especially helps with libido and testosterone function. Other hormone functions Manages cortisol keeps stress in check Exactly.

01:05:21 - Chase (Host) Huge, especially ashwagandha.

01:05:22 - Jackson (Guest) Yeah, and then finding what makes sense for you, right, like, which of these products do you align with right, which of these products, um, resonate with you, you know? And then giving them a shot. But like, give them a shot by themselves for a period of time that makes sense. If you're like, oh, two weeks, I'm out. If you're that kind of a guy, don't even bother. You know, I mean, like you may feel something, but like also a lot of these products, you have to like, oh, two weeks, I'm out. If you're that kind of a guy, don't even bother. You know what I mean. Like you may feel something, but like also a lot of these products, you have to remember some of these products have caffeine in them and some of these products have beta alanine in them. To give you that rush.

01:05:55 - Chase (Host) To really make you feel it.

01:05:56 - Jackson (Guest) Right, it's BS. Right, it's like. Any product that's like for male libido that has caffeine in it is bullshit because you you shouldn't need caffeine in order to like feel your libido. Right, it's giving you this like um this weird positive Exactly yeah.

01:06:12 - Chase (Host) A hundred percent, so I say not boosting libido, you're just stimulating your mind. You're on caffeine, which is a stimulant, which is great.

01:06:18 - Jackson (Guest) But so I say, like, give it time, um, let it let the herbs work in your system. You know, um, in in an Eastern medicine, like a doctor has a lot of patients isn't a good doctor, right? You go once a year, you get your herbs, you get your checkup and then you take your herbs in a preventative way. Right, just like eating food, every day you're taking herbs. You're mixing them together. Now I created this stuff in pills, and other people have other supplement products, but you want to take them, um, you know, daily because they're really helpful.

01:06:48 - Chase (Host) You know what are some of the other effects besides increased libido, increased sexual dynamics that are actually worthwhile considering. Yeah.

01:06:56 - Jackson (Guest) So there's a couple that I didn't mention that are really important, actually, that aren't, that are really easy to do, which is one like getting sunshine. Sunshine, um, is incredibly important. Vitamin D, which is not actually a vitamin, it's a hormone um, no one really knows that, but it is literally like one of the most critical things to our overall health, our vibrancy, our mental. You know, we talk about um seasonal affective disorder. When you're in a really cold climate, you don't get a lot of sunshine. Every day, you get into this depressed state. Well, what do you think that's doing to your vitality and your libido? Right, yeah, it's not helping. So sunshine is really key. Um, I would say cold water exposure has really has been pretty impactful, for me at least, of a inflammation response, but also just like I think it gives you this boost that you wake up. So I don't do caffeine, really, um, I don't go to coffee. I should say I do some pre-workout sometimes, but when I wake up and I'm doing cold therapy, like the day, just sort of changes.

01:07:52 - Chase (Host) Are you saying that's just your personal preference, or are you saying that caffeine can be a libido killer, or you? Find that you get more out of the cold water instead of caffeine.

01:08:01 - Jackson (Guest) Yeah, no. So I, I just personally I've never been. I never liked the taste of coffee, which people are like. You're crazy, maybe I am, but that's fine. I've never really ordered a coffee, ever in my life, so I didn't like it. When I was younger or whatever. And you know, to be honest with you, up until I was about 38 or so and I started launching this business, I didn't really have pre-workouts when I would go work out in the morning. I would just go wake up and do my thing. Now, um, I noticed that, like, I do like a pre-workout, but it's caffeine that comes from. Like I think it's like green tea extract or something. It's a little bit healthier.

01:08:33 - Speaker 2 (Host) I don't know much about caffeine, um, in terms of like yeah, I'm not like on the Huberman level now it's more my personal preference.

01:08:40 - Jackson (Guest) I just don't like it, Um, but uh, but yeah. So so the but, the cold water, it just invigorates your spirit in a way that nothing really else does, you know, and so I think that helps with um, inflammation, healthy, just being healthy, getting that state of like optimal health every day. Um, and then going back to your question, so it was about you, obviously, your immune system and your immune function is key to all this stuff, and all these herbs help with that right.

01:09:06 Yeah, they're focusing on blood flow and circulation, but they're working on your organs and your systems of your body and when that happens, you're going to be more vibrant, you're going to be in a healthier state, right? Anytime, think about when you're sick. The first thing that goes is your vitality and your libido Interesting, right. So it's like your body doesn't want to put that energy out into the sexual realm because it needs to conserve its energy for healing. So all of the stuff that we're doing is about preventative health herbs, lifestyle, avoiding estrogenic factors, sunshine, cold water, therapy, breath work, whatever it may be All of this stuff.

01:09:51 It's about this holistic approach of how can I be the most optimal person I can be and then you're going to have vitality and therefore, hopefully, higher levels of T and hopefully you know higher levels of really everything right, Energy in your life to go tackle and, you know, seize the day.

01:09:57 - Chase (Host) Do you ever get any feedback from women as to the things that you talk about, the sexual dynamics or sexual health tips and you know advice and information you put out and the women are going. How do I get my guy to do this? You know, how do I translate this? You know the women are on board, but we're missing the mark when it comes to translating for their male partner.

01:10:16 - Jackson (Guest) Yeah, that's a great question. So, um, what I have learned is that women are much more open-minded and they are receptive to things, especially in the sexual realm, than men are in general. That being said, when they watch the content and they listen to the content, there's a way that they can share this information with men. That's going to work, and there's a way that it's not going to work. So I've had experienced, um, I'll start with the way that it doesn't work. The way that it doesn't work is a bunch of women are at a table and they're watching the content, and then there's there's a guy there and he's either single or in a relationship, whatever it may be, and they're like hey, you should watch this. Yeah, yeah, okay. The guy's going to be like who the fuck?

01:10:56 - Chase (Host) is this guy?

01:11:05 - Jackson (Guest) You know, and it's like a place of really of compassion, right, they mean well, but they don't necessarily know what they're doing and they don't understand how seeing someone else talk about this stuff may be, um, uh, unnerving to them, right? Um, again, for men, sexual health and energy is an incredibly vulnerable topic, so that's a not good way to do it. You know, saying like hey, you should do this. Guy's going to be like F, that Like I don't, he's going to shut down, right, and that's just the way that most men operate, and I don't necessarily blame them. The way that you do do it is A, it's about the compassion, it's about the way that it's communicated and it's starting off by sharing something that the guy does really well, or the guy does better than something else, right, and sharing that information, being like, wow, this is something that I love that you do. If the guy doesn't do anything well, maybe you have to embellish a little bit.

01:12:06 But whatever you got to do, he's got to do one thing, he's got to have one thing whatever you got to do to get there, but but share that piece and let that piece sink in and let the guy know that you're on the same team, right? Oh, I love when you do this, or, oh, we did this and this was great. Let it sit, right, you know, for a day, whatever it may be a couple of days, et cetera, and then you can slowly bring in other stuff, cause if you share it in a way that's really good, my guess is he'll start watching this stuff on his own without telling you oh, oh, yeah, absolutely. But if it's if, but if it's this sort of like you need to do this or I want you to do this better, and it doesn't, it feels like this, this sort of like it's you versus me instead of like togetherness which is already a hard divider for most male female relationships.

01:12:51 - Chase (Host) Anytime we hear our partner bark orders on either side nobody likes that. I appreciate that yeah.

01:12:56 - Jackson (Guest) So it's about. It's the. What do they call it?

01:12:57 Like the, the shit sandwich, like it's like yeah like the really positive stuff and I then I now I'd love to try this for improvement. Yeah, exactly, then I'd love to do this with you. And could we try this in an effort of, like it's a team dynamic, let's do this together. Our sexual health is a together thing, right? It takes two to tango, right? Not just like it's not one person doing the other thing to the other. We're all responsible for our own sexual health, right, in terms of communicating our desires, our needs, our wants, what we like, what we don't like.

01:13:24 So, again, it's this teamwork effect. That is how I've seen, because I always ask like, oh my, my husband loved, loved this company, like how did you do it? How did you share it with him? And that's what I get every time. It's like, oh, I shared him the good stuff and then I focused on the stuff that I want to improve on. And it's like, and knowing that it takes time and knowing that may have questions, he may have reservations, he may be confused, he may be, he may still feel emasculated, he may still feel vulnerable and just coming at it with a super, super soft, ultra kind, ultra sensitive approach that you're in it together, you know, and that you want to do this together and that you're on the same path together.

01:14:03 - Chase (Host) Maybe this is just clever marketing and production from shows like Sex and the City, but it seems that women have no problem between their besties talking about their sex life. I don't think guys are really talking sex, health, sex life that often or as much as women, as I perceive women to. Why do you think that is? How can we go about maybe initiating that with our guy friends, our trusted, safe guy friends, and what do we have to gain from that?

01:14:34 - Jackson (Guest) Yeah, that's a great question and I agree with you completely.

01:14:38 Women are much more open to talking about this stuff with each other because women, as a, as a, as a you know gender are much more open creatures, right, they're the first movers for a lot of this stuff with each other.

01:14:45 Because women, as a, as a, as a you know gender are much more open creatures right, they're the first movers for a lot of this stuff and they work with an area of compassion, understanding and there's much less ego.

01:14:54 What prohibits men from doing this? Cause, you're right, men don't have safe spaces to talk about this stuff, which is why I'm getting so many DMs a day from guys that just want to connect and have a space to talk about their sexual health or their dysfunctional health or their dysfunctional health or their dysfunctional health or their dysfunctional health or their dysfunctional health or their dysfunctional health or their dysfunctional health or their dysfunctional health or their dysfunctional health or their dysfunctional health or their dysfunctional health or their dysfunction, not skillful, not as powerful, not capable, all of the things that may come up as it relates to you experiencing some form of sexual dysfunction or lack of awareness, or whatever it may be Right, when you're younger, you're sort of taught that, like, kids make fun of you if you like, oh, you're not good at this, or oh, you didn't know how to do that. And then you learn like, oh, I can't share this because I'm going to get attacked, or I'm going to get kicked out of the tribe.

01:15:49 - Chase (Host) Exactly, yeah, kicked off the playground.

01:15:51 - Jackson (Guest) So, um, it's about, it's about the ego and preservation of the ego as a man in the world. They're like, oh, I am powerful and I am strong and I am all these things. And just because I have some sort of sexual dysfunction or I am experiencing, you know, less firm erections, you know, for this period of my life, because I'm going through a ton of stress, it doesn't mean that you're not still a man and that you're not still valued and not still worthy. We men have so much value that's tied into our sexual function. And think about, as a man, like we've got one thing, you know, we've got one area for sexual. You know pleasure, right, you know our, our, our members, and imagine if that didn't work as the way that we wanted it to.

01:16:37 What does that do for our psyche? You know, and I've been in such, and part of it is like I've been through all of these situations. I've been in situations where I have premature ejaculation. I have situations where I have had ED because I've been super stressed or whatever it is. Um, you know, I've had performance anxiety.

01:16:52 So, like every guy's had all these things happen to them. Nobody's talking about it, but like if you can actually embrace it and say I'm still worthy. And yeah, I'm experiencing this right now, and they're not necessarily correlated or tied. So that's what I'm, this right now, and they're not necessarily correlated or tied, so that's what I'm. What I've experienced for most guys is that they don't want to necessarily admit it to their guy friends or get to themselves first yeah, right, or their or their sons, and I'm saying like, hey, everyone has had a problem at some point. If you're a guy like and if you haven't like, god you know, more power to you. But the vast majority of men experience something that takes them out of that Like, oh, I'm in the most powerful state in this area of my life, um, and this area also like, controls a lot of decision-making and just controls our behavior, our actions, like you know, um, way more than just downstairs.

01:17:41 - Chase (Host) Yeah exactly Well, Jackson, it's been incredible. I love everything you're up to. It's been great to get to know you the last several months. Now I'm going to have everything down in the show notes and video notes for everybody to learn more. But this show is all about helping people move forward in a unique area of their life to keep living a life ever forward.

01:17:59 - Jackson (Guest) Yeah, what do those?

01:17:59 - Chase (Host) words mean to you, man Ever forward.

01:18:04 - Jackson (Guest) I mean, it's literally my entire life's philosophy growing, improving, adapting and adjusting, like in every aspect of your life, forever, until we're not here anymore, and doing all that with a high libido. High libido and a healthy eggplant.

01:18:20 - Chase (Host) Well, thank you so much, man, it's been great. Thank you For more information on everything you just heard. Make sure to check this episode, show notes or head to EverForwardRadio.com