EFR 670: Mitochondria Masterclass and How to Increase Strength 10% in Only Four Months with Dr. Chris Rinsch

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The following is an operation podcast production. 

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Hi, my name is Chris Rnch, and I'm the c e o and a co-founder of Timeline Nutrition. And today, here on Ever Ford Radio, we're gonna talk about how you can supercharge your mitochondria function and add 10% of muscle strength after four months, which really translates into a, a meaningful impact in your life and your livelihood and your health span and, uh, and longevity in the end, 

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Speaker 1 (00:02:33):

And we're back. Welcome to the last episode of the week. I hope you all have been enjoying these few extra episodes here today. This is your fourth one in the first week of the new year. Welcome to January. Welcome to 2023. Everybody. Here is your opportunity. Here is your chance to dive into information from world leading experts, scientists, authors, trainers, people of all walks of life that are doing things in such unique ways. To me, stand out as living a life ever Ford. That is why I bring them on the show because they add so much value to my life. I just want you all to be able to connect with them in some way like I do. I'm so excited to bring you today's guest because his area of expertise in everything he is doing with his company, amis, and their line timeline nutrition, particularly that a product might pure he's gonna be diving into, is so important. 

Speaker 1 (00:03:34):

It's also a big area of personal interest for me over the last, I would say, one to two years. Longevity. I feel like now in my late thirties, I have a pretty solid foundation of things that serve me in terms of healthy habits. I've got my morning rituals, I've got my nutrition, I've got my training. I've got my physical, mental, emotional, spiritual wellbeing, all pretty, pretty well stacked. And that doesn't mean I can rest, that I can just take it easy. It means that I have done many, many, many years of work and trials to see what works for my body, what works for my mind, what are my personal goals, what do I want to maintain? What am I striving for? And maybe that's you, maybe you can relate. You're, you're pretty set. You got a good routine, you, you feel good, but you're always after maybe feeling a little bit more better, as I say. 

Speaker 1 (00:04:29):

But you also want to not only do things for the here and the now, but set your future self up for as much success as possible. And I don't just mean your future self tomorrow or even next year. I'm talking about in 10 years, in 30, 50 years, this conversation is going to bring your attention to that. It is going to help shine a light on what we can be doing to perform our best here and now to increase our vitality, our energy, our wellness in all facets here and now, but be doing the same thing for our future self. Join me in welcoming Chris wrench to the show to talk about how we can supercharge our mitochondria function and increase our muscle strength by 10% in as little as four months. Yeah, you heard me correctly. And they've got the science to back it up. 

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Chris is gonna share why mitochondria are important for healthy aging, a higher quality of life, more energy, and a longer lifespan. But what does this even mean? What does it all mean, bazzle? What does healthy aging even mean? How can we improve our health at the cellular level so that we can live longer? Do we actually have the capability to influence not just a particular muscle group or a particular area of our body, but something at the cellular level? Chris is here to answer these important questions and provide science-based tips for increasing your resiliency, strength, and longevity while preventing muscle hypertrophy, atrophy, and sarcopenia. All things that unfortunately just kind of come with the territory as we age, as we get older. If we are not doing such things as keeping adequate protein in our diet, keeping sufficient resistance training, strength training, going to keep strong bones and strong muscles. 

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So let me leave you this question here before we dive into the conversation. If you have the ability to feel 10% stronger and more energetic in just a few weeks without throwing back a bunch of energy drinks or coffees or sketchy supplements, or even just going so hard in the gym training eight days a week, imagine what that would look like. If you could do that, would you? I'm here to tell you, you can, you can with Myo Pure this amazing product that Chris is gonna be talking about that I have been introducing into my daily wellness routine now for a few months. I love it because of how I feel here and now, but more specifically, because of now the 10 plus years of research and clinical evidence that Chris and his team has been able to provide on its efficacy. I'll have all this link for you down in the show notes, to check out timeline to check out Mito Pure. 

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Mito Pure is this product of the organization. Timeline nutrition. They've got powders, they've got protein, they've got capsules. Um, no really no wrong way to, to consume this incredible product. And like I said, they've got the science to back it up. They have evidence to show how and why this stuff works for you here and now to feel significantly better. Um, and just a matter of hours to have clinically proven strength increase just a matter of weeks. And then, you know, really four months is kind of being that sweet spot for everything. We all know that mitochondria are the powerhouses of the cell, right? If we have more of them and just more of them working more efficiently, it's going to help every other bodily function. What if you could do that here and now? And what if you could do that to make them as resilient for the long haul of life as possible? 

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That is what I have found to be true with Mire, and I want you all to check it out. If this conversation lands on you and you want to explore your longevity even further and feel better here and now along the way, make sure to check out timeline nutrition.com/ever. Four. They've got a great deal for you all to check out their miop Pure product. You're going to even see me and my personal experience up there. I love this stuff because thanks to Timeline, I am able to fortify my health at the cellular level and support my longevity all at the same time. Timeline nutrition.com/ever Ford, you're gonna get the hookup off of their mito pure mitochondrial revitalize. You're can save 10% off of any plan, I promise you're gonna feel better now and your future self is going to thank you. I personally love their mito pure soft gels, but recently on my out of the country trip, my wife and I were over in Paris for Christmas and New Year's. I brought a lot of their travel packets of protein with me just to fortify my daily nutrition to make sure I'm getting a good amount of protein in my diet. But it was great too, because even the protein powder is packed with mi pure. So I was feeding my strength, my muscle maintenance, but getting vitalize at the cellular level and fueling my mitochondria at the same time, timeline nutrition.com/ever to learn more. And then, like I said, a checkout, just use code ever forward to save 10% off of any mi pure application of your choice. 

Speaker 1 (00:09:44):

So in preparation for this conversation, uh, I was thinking of all the things that I think of when it comes to what we're about to talk about. And just so many keywords I I want the listener to really think of right now. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, resiliency, strength, longevity, um, hypertrophy, atrophy, sarcopenia, powerhouse of the cell, mitochondria. Just all of these words that I think a lot of us can find when we're looking for health, wellness, optimization, tips, tricks, especially when it comes to nutrition. Uh, and especially right now, I think resiliency and longevity are kind of on the rise in a good way, top of mind for a lot of people, especially myself included. But also I think now we finally have a lot of science. We have a lot of anecdotal and clinical evidence to provide fact and relatable tactics for us humans to implement these, these things now and to add meaningful quality years of life to our existence. Um, so with all of that little preparation for everybody here on the show, um, Chris, welcome. Thank you so much for being here. Did I miss any key words in, in what we're here to talk about and what you do? 

Speaker 2 (00:10:59):

I think you hit a lot of the, 

Speaker 1 (00:11:00):

There's gotta be something I'm missing, right? <laugh>, uh, Kreb cycle, maybe, I don't know, attp, uh, I really gotta go back to my exercise science states for that. But, um, first and foremost, before we kind of get into maybe some of the, the scientific understanding and applications, um, longevity. Resiliency, what does that mean? And why is it important? Why should someone even care about that right now? The, the general, general person? 

Speaker 2 (00:11:24):

Yeah. I, I, I think when you think of, uh, longevity, I think you're, you're talking about quality of life, and I think that's what's important for everybody. People want to live, you know, at their peak throughout their life, and, and they don't want to have that slow decline as you get older. And so if you can try and maintain that health, uh, on a cellular level, on a, on a whole body level mm-hmm. <affirmative>, then I think you're gonna gonna have a much more, uh, enjoyable time Yeah. On Earth. 

Speaker 1 (00:11:58):

Yeah. And you, you said like the key phrase there that I think is the whole crux of this at the cellular level, what is going on at the cellular level that we should be concerned about? And how much influence or even control do we have on, on that process, those processes, I should say? 

Speaker 2 (00:12:16):

Well, I, I think one of the areas on, on the cellular level that we all need to think about is how our cells function. I is, is really, um, based on the energy mm-hmm. That the cells have. And, and you have your mitochondria that are inside of your cells that are producing most of the energy that, that we, uh, that the cells need the 

Speaker 1 (00:12:37):

Powerhouse of the cells talking about, you know, anybody went through, I think probably even middle school science Yeah. Should be familiar with this term. Yeah, yeah, 

Speaker 2 (00:12:44):

Yeah. The biology from when we were back in school, uh, it's, um, yeah. The, the mitochondria are there to, to produce the energy and to keep the cells functioning. And if the cells function well, the tissues that the cells are incorporated in are then functioning well. And then your body functions well, whether it's your muscle, whether it's your brain, your liver, um, mitochondria are, are basically in all of our cells except for our red blood cells. Hmm. 

Speaker 1 (00:13:12):

So there's this thing inside every system, every location of our body that we can have direct influence and even dominion over. Am I understanding correctly? 

Speaker 2 (00:13:26):

Yes. The, I think when, when you're talking about influencing, it's, you know, how can you influence it? And, and there's different ways of influencing your cellular health and, and in particular the mitochondrial function. And one is just through lifestyle choices. So exercise, exercise, um, by doing regular exercise, uh, you can, you stimulate, uh, a process by which you're, you're keeping your mitochondrial healthy, healthy, and we'll go into that a little bit later. Uh, also diet, you know, having the right, having the right foods that you eat, uh, you are gonna get the right nutrients that are coming from those foods. Uh, and these phytonutrients that are coming from the foods can then have an impact on, uh, you know, on your cells and on on the cell functioning. Mm-hmm. 

Speaker 1 (00:14:15):

<affirmative>. Um, let's first go with, uh, the physical aspect. What can we do to improve our bodies at the cellular level? You know, we, we all know, or at least at this point, anybody listens to the show for a while. Exercise 

Speaker 3 (00:14:31):

Is great. Exercise is medicine, right? But typically, I think when someone thinks of exercise, or at least in the beginning, it's to change something externally. Uh, I want to lose weight. I want to gain weight. I want to change my physique, my composition. I want to gain strength. 

Speaker 1 (00:14:46):

Um, but in doing that, we're also affecting what's going on at the cellular level, the mitochondrial level. Am I hearing you correctly? 

Speaker 2 (00:14:53):

Yes. So, uh, when you exercise, you stimulate a process inside of your cells that's called autophagy. And so this process, autophagy, which is self eating, autophagy, uh, this is all about clearing up the damaged organelles, uh, which are basically the, all of the, the things that are inside of your cell that are getting damaged as 

Speaker 1 (00:15:19):

The cellular waste, right? Yes. 

Speaker 2 (00:15:20):

The cellular waste my products of these. Exactly. It's transforming that waste and it's disposing of it, and it's recycling it. And in particular, uh, we were talking about the mitochondria before, uh, a, a process called miy. So the self eating or self digestion of, of damaged mitochondria plays a very important role in keeping your mitochondria healthy inside of yourself throughout your life. And when you exercise, it's been shown that exercise is actually stimulating the process of autophagy and also miy. 

Speaker 1 (00:15:56):

Hmm. Now why should we care about that? Wh why is, why is that a good thing and why is that something maybe we should latch onto to try to keep repeating? 

Speaker 2 (00:16:04):

Well, well, fundamentally, uh, when you're, I, if you're exercising, you're, you're building more muscle function. And by maintaining that muscle function in the, uh, in the mitochondria, uh, function, uh, you're, it's not only the mitochondria in your muscle cells that are being improved, but it's in, in all of your other organs. And so it, it exercise isn't only for your muscles, it's for your entire body, and it's, it's a whole body wellness program. 

Speaker 1 (00:16:35):

And so then what about the nutritional aspect? So we can go do the things, lift the weights, do the resistance training, exercise for sure, to simulate mitochondrial, um, health reproduction. But what about the nutrition aspect? And I, I know this is a big part of kind of your work in the study. Yeah. 

Speaker 2 (00:16:50):

So, uh, so when you think about nutrition, there are certain phytochemicals that actually can act specifically on the mitochondria and stimulate this process called mihay. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So, uh, at timeline, we've been really working and looking at, uh, a class of compounds called the algi tannins. And these are compounds found, uh, in a number of the foods that we eat, uh, that include, uh, pomegranate, walnuts, uh, pecans and other berries such, such as, uh, raspberry, uh, and strawberries to different amounts. And when you consume these, uh, these allans, these, these foods, uh, they're actually transformed by the gut microbes, uh, that we have. And they're transformed into other compounds, uh, that are called postbiotics. Uh, and, and so these postbiotics, and in the case of lagi tannins, this postbiotics is called olien a, uh, this compound acts to stimulate this process of miy inside of your cells. So it's very complimentary mm-hmm. To, uh, having a very active lifestyle and, and doing exercise on a regular basis. 

Speaker 1 (00:18:10):

But here's something that I think the listener should really lean into and was a great reminder for me in kind of refreshing, uh, myself on these processes and what mitochondrial health actually looks like. And especially with all the amazing clinical evidence and research that you all have provided, uh, I'll have to make sure to link a lot of this stuff for you guys down on the show notes. Um, sometimes just making, I don't, I don't wanna say this and discourage anybody, but on our wellness journey, uh, of making the right decisions or what we believe to be the right decision, it's like, okay, I'm gonna make the choice to clean up my diet. I'm gonna eat these things that I know are healthy for me. Like you were talking about, pomegranates, walnuts, raspberries that have so many great functions, uh, for us. But if we don't have the right environment in here in the gut, it's kind of like, I won't say all for nothing, but we're really missing an opportunity. Right. So, can you walk us through why maybe just eating some of these right foods or even, you know, in something such as mito pure, it might not be enough, because we actually have some more work to do to really clean up the environment, to be more bioavailable, to increase absorption. Um, like really we need to work on the gut powerhouse first Right. In order for this stuff to, to mash up as much as we want. 

Speaker 2 (00:19:29):

For sure. Uh, so when you're, you know, when you're thinking of all of these, these foods as, as you mentioned, that contain, uh, the compounds, Eli Tanin mm-hmm. <affirmative>, these Eli tannins are only transformed into, uh, u lithian miop pure, if you have the right gut microbes. And if you don't have them, which only about 40, 30 to 40% of the population really have the right, uh, gut microbes, uh, to make this transformation. We ran a clinical study, uh, in, uh, in Chicago, and we showed that, uh, there was around 40% that could do a conversion. And, you know, and it, what's fascinating is that it's not just a, a one-to-one conversion. You know, there can be people who can be low converters mm-hmm. <affirmative> or medium converters, or high converters. So it's very unpredictable. So you can have, you, you can eat all these foods that have the right things in them, but in fact, if you don't have the right, the right gut, gut microbiome, the right bacteria mm-hmm. <affirmative>, essentially, you can't extract the benefits from that. And so, so if you can over, you can overcome that mm-hmm. <affirmative> by instead of, uh, taking those foods, I'm not suggesting that people don't eat the foods, all, all, all these great foods. 

Speaker 1 (00:20:51):

Right? 

Speaker 2 (00:20:51):

Right. Yeah. But if you can take a supplement just of the postbiotics in this case, uh, Euro lith a and, um, that we call miop pure a timeline, uh, then 

Speaker 1 (00:21:02):

Rith a is a postbiotics, 

Speaker 2 (00:21:04):

Lyth A is a postbiotics. Okay. Yeah. So if you take, uh, lyth a directly, uh, then you, then you overcome the problem and that hurdle that you Yeah. Might not have that Right. Uh, gut, uh, microbiome in the right bacteria to make those transformations. And so, yeah. So that's, it's, it's a very interesting way to, um, to look at the foods that you're, you're eating and, uh, what you should eat, what you shouldn't eat. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and, and when you should supplement beyond just a healthy diet, 

Speaker 1 (00:21:39):

The analogy comes to mind of like, we buy a piece of furniture, right. And we see the end result, like on the showroom floor or in the picture, and we have all the hardware and pieces. We could probably maybe do a decent job or get pretty close to assembling it just by kind of tinkering on our own. But what I'm kind of hearing is like this, this bridge connector, this mito pure, this, you know, the Euro litan a Yeah. Or even just a lot, you know, the other 60% of this population, um, is like, we're missing the, the instructions, you know, and getting these instructions for sure is crucial for not only having something that's gonna last, here we go longevity again. Yeah. Cuz you can assemble something, but you know, it might fall apart in a week. Or the first time you try to sit in that chair, it's gonna come crumbling down. How much more fortified in resilient is that product gonna be? If you've got the right end pro end result, you're looking at the proper instructions to put which screw and which hole, and then the right tools to do it all together. 

Speaker 2 (00:22:41):

For sure. I mean, having, you know, and, and that's the beauty of, of being able to take a nutrient and, and, uh, in this case, the postbiotics of ADE directly, uh, you can circumvent all of that problem mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, and, and I think most importantly is understanding how much you need to give to have that specific health benefit. Because when you take the dif when you consume different foods, you're, you're not sure what, how you're dosing. 

Speaker 1 (00:23:09):

Right, right. 

Speaker 2 (00:23:09):

Yeah. Because you, you don't know what type of gut micro Yeah. Uh, flora you have. And so what we've done is we've taken a look, uh, at the clinical level mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, taking Miop and Tate into the clinic and testing at a different doses to see specifically how much do we need to give in order to see an a benefit. 

Speaker 1 (00:23:33):

So we've been saying this word quite a bit, but, uh, haven't gotten an actual definition. So I, I wanna kind of backtrack just a minute and say, sure. Mitochondria, what is that? Like, what is a mitochondria? What is, what does it do in the body? And again, why should the average person really have this on their radar right now? 

Speaker 2 (00:23:51):

Yeah. Well, mitochondria are super important for all of our cells. They're, they're basically, uh, the a they're, they're the power plant of the cell. A as you were mentioning before, and, and creating the energy that you need for to, for, for the cells to function properly and, and, and all of the reactions that need to take place inside of the cell. Uh, and, and this is what makes them so important. So what, what you see is, and I think what's what's interesting is when you look at, um, during the aging process, uh, mitochondria decline in function, and that's very well known. And it's been studied. In fact, we even, uh, performed a study many years ago where we looked at a population that was an average age of 70 years old. And, uh, in the population, we had one group of, uh, of adults who were, um, very active and running and cycling all the time. Another group of adults age matched who were pre frail, which means that they have problems, you know, getting around normal 

Speaker 1 (00:25:02):

Daily bodily 

Speaker 2 (00:25:02):

Functions. Yeah. Yes. Standing up, uh, walking. Uh, and, and we went and we looked at, at these individuals, and we did an analysis of their muscle tissue in their legs. And what we saw, the big difference between these two populations was a decline in the mitochondria function and those people who were pre frail. And it, it was very striking when you looked at the gene sets and muscle biopsies of these individuals, you could see that, that all the, the gene sets that were linked to mitochondria function were all down-regulated. Mm-hmm. Uh, and showing that this was really a very important building block for the health of, of your cells and your muscle. It's 

Speaker 1 (00:25:47):

Pretty cool to think about what I'm hearing. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Um, as we age, you know, in hitting 70, uh, I think that's a, a landmark decade for anybody, but also probably an age when you begin to kind of realize, like, I'm, I'm definitely getting older, you know, I, I'm kind of over the <laugh> the hill, I guess a little bit. But, um, it's probably more likely that we can do things to maintain the mitochondrial health that we have, uh, and to make the ones that we do have stronger, better at what they do, and to maybe even increase the quantity and quality of mitochondria we have so that we are more resilient so that we're able to maintain strength, um, and not atrophy and not have muscle mass kind of really wither away compared to being in our seventies and trying to still hit the gym the same frequency. 

Speaker 1 (00:26:40):

Yeah. You know, there, the, what I'm trying to really get at, at is there's this new way of thinking. We, we can have now, thanks to timeline and the research and all this understanding of, of mitochondrial health that, oh, if I just take care of myself at the cellular level, I can maintain and maybe even grow in ways that I want to have down the road. Instead of trying to think about how am I gonna be 75 years old and still going to the gym all the time so I can keep a little bit of muscle mass so that I'm not frail and falling and breaking a hip, or being able to just stay active with my children or family. You know, am I right in thinking that it's kind of like this new way we can really get the same thing we want, but with just a different approach? 

Speaker 2 (00:27:23):

For sure. And, and I think it's important that we don't, uh, focus on, you know, on on the age of, of 70 and 80 and Yeah. Yeah. But, um, but this is really, um, your mitochondria are function is important at all stages of your life. And if you don't have the right mm-hmm. <affirmative> diet and the right lifestyle, you can have poor mitochondrial function when you're in your twenties or thirties. And so what would 

Speaker 1 (00:27:50):

That look like, for example? Or what would that look like? Would that feel like 

Speaker 2 (00:27:53):

Well, you, you see a lot of people who are more on the couch potato side of, uh, 

Speaker 1 (00:27:59):

Sedentary lifestyle. 

Speaker 2 (00:28:00):

Sedentary, yeah. That, uh, that these people tend to have a, um, mitochondria function, uh, very at, at a suboptimal level mm-hmm. <affirmative> mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And so, but, and even athletes, you know, even athletes ha have been taking, uh, miop purin and lyth knee and, and showing, uh, that they can, that this improves their, um, muscle function. So, you know, it, it's not something just to protect you as you get old, but it's something for, you know, to keep you at your peak mm-hmm. <affirmative> at every, at every stage, uh, in your life. In fact, we've, you know, we've run a couple of clinical studies, uh, to date. We've, uh, we have one study that we looked in, uh, in sedentary individuals from 40 to 65 years old. And we, uh, and we saw that we had an improved, um, muscle leg strength, uh, and, and peak V two, um, just, 

Speaker 1 (00:28:56):

Just with this, 

Speaker 2 (00:28:57):

Just taking 

Speaker 1 (00:28:58):

Supplementation, 

Speaker 2 (00:28:59):

Just taking supplementation with mine pure 

Speaker 1 (00:29:01):

In increase in strength, not necessarily muscle. We're not talking muscle mass, we're not talking muscle 

Speaker 2 (00:29:05):

Size. No, no. This is not, this is not, um, this is not building muscle mass. Right. It's taking, 

Speaker 1 (00:29:11):

This is not 

Speaker 2 (00:29:11):

Hypertrophy. Yeah. It, it's basically taking the muscle tissue that you have and making it function at its peak and which is, you know, that's 

Speaker 1 (00:29:21):

The best that, that's the goal. Right. 

Speaker 2 (00:29:23):

And that's the goal. And that's what we want throughout life. Even as we get older, we will lose muscle mass, you know, and, and that's well documented. 

Speaker 1 (00:29:30):

It's harder to maintain what you worked for 

Speaker 2 (00:29:32):

Before, and it's, and it's very hard to maintain, but if you can take whatever tissue that you have and keep it functioning optimally, that's, that's really what we want. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And so, um, yeah, back to, um, you know, back to the demographics of sort of the 20 to mm-hmm. <affirmative> to 40, you know, we're, right now we're running a, a clinical study over in Australia looking at, um, professional and semi-professional, uh, athletes and runners and evaluating the effect of mi opu and them, uh, as they do, um, races and looking at effects on recovery. And we've seen a lot of, um, and that, that work will come out this next year. Uh, we've also, um, we also have a lot of customers who are, uh, athletes, uh, whether they're, uh, professional athletes or amateur athletes, and it's very interesting to get the feedback from them, uh, whether they're cyclists and, you know, they come back and they tell us, Hey, I used to be in the center of the Peloton, and now I'm at the front <laugh>. You know, it's, uh, it's, it's very interesting to, to get the individual stories that each one, uh, brings to us. 

Speaker 1 (00:30:42):

You know, I, I'm kind of in a funny, a funny position right now, which is even weird to, this isn't a complaint by any means, but just the fact that I am, I'm 37 now, and I'm someone that has lived a very active lifestyle ever since I was a kid. But I would say true, consistent exercise strength training, particularly about 17 years. Um, so I've done a lot of things. I, I, I've really gotten in tune with my body and I can tell what works, what doesn't. Um, and I'm on month two now. Uh, I'd say about week six going into seven ish, something like that. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> of mire mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And it ultimately, it's kind of like taking away some of those just very quick typical excuses that I used to make for myself of, I'm tired, I'm sore, I need to recover more from my last workout because, uh, no bullshit, like my endurance, my needed downtime is much less than what it used to be. 

Speaker 1 (00:31:48):

Hmm. I feel like in between my sets, in between my workouts and in between active days, active recovery days and total rest days, um, that dip is just noticeably less. Yeah. And for someone like myself to, to notice that I'm by no means, uh, uh, a high performing athlete, I'm not an Olympic or, you know, professional sports player or anything like that, uh, a professional Olympian, but I am someone that does a lot of things with intention to feel good. Yeah. And to add hopefully quality years to my life. And so I say all that just to kind of share my personal experience, but also even just that little bit, uh, of, of the less dip in the downtime, um, has done so much for my mindset in going like, okay, chase, you actually, no, you don't have an excuse here, <laugh>, because you're, you're not sore. You don't need as much downtime. And I can qualitatively and quantitatively kinda get into my own body and mind and think about where I'm at and, you know, look at data points such as whoop and Apple watch and stuff like that. Yeah. Um, and it all matches up. It all matches up. 

Speaker 2 (00:32:54):

Yeah. And, and, and it makes sense. I mean, people who are, are more in tune with their body because they're exercising and they're monitoring themselves with, with, with whoop and, and other types of devices. Um, they tend to, to see the effect, um, uh, easier because they, they can, they can sense just a couple of percent difference in performance, especially recovery. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> recovery tends to be something that, that people, um, you know, that, that people notice. And, and that's, this is one area that we're studying, uh, in this clinical study that's, uh, ongoing in Australia right 

Speaker 1 (00:33:31):

Now. I mean, it makes total sense. Cuz when you think about it, if we are doing something, we're able to manipulate something in our lives with what we're doing or what we're eating that is going to substantially clinically proven to increase not only the rate at which certain processes in our body can perform, but the quality in which they can also perform. Where it's like, we're not only increasing the way that workers in our bodies can do the work, but also it's like, like, it's like replicating. It's like we got 10 workers in this cell doing great things, which yield X output, but we're at now we're adding 15 workers, 20 workers, 30 workers. So you're increasing efficacy, but also the quantity, which makes total sense. If that is responsible, those guys, mitochondria are responsible for every process, including training, recovery, sleep, hypertrophy, all these things, what we're talking about. I mean, it, it's so duh <laugh>, it's so duh. That of course, all these other things, you know, the downtime, the recovery go down and, you know, the ability to kind of bounce back those up. Yeah. 

Speaker 2 (00:34:37):

And, and, and I think what's great is that we have the science to back it up. It's, it's not, um, this is not soft science. I, I would say, yeah. This is, this is, this is very extensively, uh, studied, uh, in double blind, randomized placebo controlled studies. And, and in the studies I was mentioning in the 40 to 65, and then we had to study in and, uh, 65 and older, uh, in these studies, uh, we, we were very careful to, um, uh, to establish groups, um, and, and randomize appropriately mm-hmm. <affirmative> and give the right dose. Um, for, you know, we had in one study that we looked at the 40 to 65, we tested doses of 500 milligrams and one gram over a course of four months. And, uh, and we were able to monitor, you know, the, the levels of, uh, miop in the blood throughout the study to see that those people who had been taking it had been taking it consistently. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, those people who, who were on placebo had had nothing. And, you know, and, and we looked at mitochondria, mitochondria function not only, um, from the effects of the physiological function of the muscle, but we did, we performed, uh, muscle biopsies, um Oh wow. Before and after. Wow. So people coming into the studies, we would take a muscle biopsy, uh, and then at the end of the study would take a muscle biopsy. We'd also take blood draws throughout 

Speaker 1 (00:36:13):

The study that Yeah. 

Speaker 2 (00:36:15):

And, and we looked at, uh, biomarkers, uh, both in the, in the muscle biopsies. We, um, we were looking at genetic biomarkers or gene expression of mitochondrial genes. Uh, and what we saw was, uh, an increase, uh, in the gene expression of these various mitochondrial genes. 

Speaker 1 (00:36:33):

W what does that mean exactly. And 

Speaker 2 (00:36:34):

So, so what that means is that you have an increased expression of, um, of the genes and then consequently the proteins, um, that are responsible for making a, a functioning mitochondria. 

Speaker 1 (00:36:49):

So it's like, we know these things are there, the genes are there, but now this is kind of like activating it. It's like, you know, you're activat 10 xing it kind of thing. Yes. It's like really obvious to the other systems in the body, Hey, here I am, use me appropriately. 

Speaker 2 (00:37:02):

Well, it's maybe not 10 xing the gene gene expression, but a 

Speaker 1 (00:37:06):

Little bit more, a little bit more <laugh>. 10 X would be great. 

Speaker 2 (00:37:09):

Right? Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, but, but what's what's fascinating is that you see, uh, the ensemble of, of all of these mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, genes, what they have, um, when you, when you analyze, uh, the, and this starts to get kind of nerdy here, but when you, when you analyze the, um, uh, the gene expression, uh, and, and tissue biopsies, uh, basically you have, uh, you have a list of genes that are appropriate for one type of, uh, functioning in this case. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it's mitochondria functioning. And so you have, um, these, they call them gene sets. So you look at the ensemble of all the genes that are linked to mitochondria function, and you can see that you're actually, you know, improving the, in increasing the amount of mitochondria, because when you have an upregulation, it's also a signal that you've increased the total number of mitochondria in the 

Speaker 1 (00:38:06):

Future. Oh, wow. Amazing. 

Speaker 2 (00:38:06):

Amazing. Yeah. And so then we've also looked at, uh, blood biomarkers and, and, uh, an important one that we monitor as aal carnitines and, and as, um, as you improve in your mitochondrial function, uh, aal carin levels, uh, decline mm-hmm. <affirmative>, and, and this is something that we see consistently across 

Speaker 1 (00:38:25):

Our studies Yeah. Which I'm very excited to, uh, to go into next. Um, personally, I, I'm like, I'm always this unequal as one. Right. That's something I always try to drive home with my listeners is Yeah. You know, be a self-study, you know, do these things. Take awareness of your body where you are, get your baseline, understand your why, develop your own personal goals, and then, you know, take action, but then measure along the way quantitatively through hard data points such as maybe wearable, but also labs, <laugh> your physical metabolic health. Um, but then qualitatively too, you know, lean into and get better at listening to your body and how you feel about certain things. Um, uh, like I said, I'm about month two with MI pure, and, uh, I'm also coming up on my next round, uh, this year, especially 2022. Uh, I've done a lot of different labs, different metabolic testing, genetic testing, <affirmative>, I'm really going, going, you know, peeling back the layers because I'm just trying to that 1% more, 1% more. Yeah. Uh, and so I'm really excited to see, I've got my next round of labs coming up in, I think, two weeks, um, to get this feedback now, now being on two months of my dpu mm-hmm. <affirmative>, which in my own research of your research, you know, there is substantial clinical evidence showing significant improvements after just week four, month one. Right. Uh, then about, it's that month three mark, I think is where you all see the most kind of progress or change, right? Is that 

Speaker 2 (00:39:43):

Correct? Yeah. Well, we've had, um, you know, we've had three studies that we've published. Uh, and in the first study, we, we gave, um, participants, uh, MIOP Pire for one month, and we looked at the biomarkers and we saw, um, the improvement in biomarkers after as early as one month. And then in, in the second two studies that we published, we, we looked at, we, we gave people miop for a period of four months. And in one of the studies, we looked after four months and we saw the improvement of muscles strength. And this is in that 40. 

Speaker 1 (00:40:15):

Please say that again, guys. Listen, pay attention to this guy. This is huge. 

Speaker 2 (00:40:19):

Yeah. So, I, I think it's important, you know, you, you can take a product, a supplement in this case, uh, miop for four months, and you improve your muscle strength. And these are sedentary individuals who are not exercising. Um, and we improve muscle strength by 10%. So this is a very, um, you know, measurable, uh, uh, improvement. Uh, 

Speaker 1 (00:40:39):

Who wouldn't want to take a 10% muscle strength increase? 

Speaker 2 (00:40:42):

Yeah. Uh, I 

Speaker 1 (00:40:45):

To go from zero to 10% huge. Yeah. But then to go from wherever, like myself or the listener right now, who is active, let's say you're, you're, you're at, you're running like 80%, who wouldn't wanna go to 90%? Yeah. That's incredible. 

Speaker 2 (00:40:56):

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, for sure. You know, and, and then, and, and we've shown even after two months that we improve muscle endurance. And this was in the study that I had mentioned from the 65 and, uh, and older mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, population. So, back to your question of how long does it take to, to see actual measurable or to feel a measurable improvement mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, it may be as early as one month, uh, certainly two months mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, we start to see physiological effects and, and four months we see, you know, clear, clear effects on muscle strength. Wow. So yeah. 

Speaker 1 (00:41:30):

That's, that's, it just gives me lit up talking about this stuff. Um, but I also wanna kinda expand a little bit. Cause I think right now where we are, at least in the United States, um, maybe you can shine a, a global light on this. Um, we've, I, I, I think the last few years have kind of done one or two things for the general public, um, due to the pandemic. And due to just the way the world has kind of shifted around the last couple years, I, I think there have been a lot of people, due to different circumstances, of course, uh, have become much more sedentary and have maybe gone from a active lifestyle to just less active. But that less act, that less active lifestyle for them means putting on fat, decreasing muscle, and for other people. I think we've had, you know, the other option here is we've had this awakening of like, how really important your health and wellness is to you and how important strength is to you. 

Speaker 1 (00:42:23):

And, you know, you, we unfortunately have probably seen people get sick and even pass away. And so it's, we've kind of been jarred awake of, you know, I have the ability, I have the power first and foremost, I have the choice to take action in my life and in my health. Um, I wanna speak to the, to the first group that I'm, again, just, just making up here my own kind of observation. Um, when we're talking to them, um, there's a lot of power in what you're saying, just being a sedentary person, a very simple interjection to a, to a habit, to a supplement, to a, to a a part of your nutrition can take you from maybe how far you've fallen to a 10% increase in a month. 

Speaker 2 (00:43:10):

Yeah. And in this case, it, it's four months after 34 months, four months. Yeah. But I mean, it's, I think it's important, you know, when you, it's the most important, you know, you, you see, you see not only a, a an increase in, in muscle function, but many people fe feel, uh, an increase in, in energy levels too. Oh, yeah. And, and back to the, your end of one, I mean, I can speak for myself that I feel, uh, a big boost in energy when I take this mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So, um, and I, and I think that, you know, as you were, as you were saying earlier, when you have that increase in energy, you feel like you can do more mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And so that helps also. Yeah. In terms of the exercise, it gets people more motivated. Um, at least that would be my feeling. 

Speaker 1 (00:43:58):

That's, I think, such a powerful takeaway. If, if we all were at a place in just a matter of a few weeks to have more energy and not, I'm, I'm not talking slamming down more coffee or, you know, anything else. I I'm talking your body is not only more efficient at generating energy from the start, but it has more energy production powerhouses, these mitochondria we're talking about to do. Just like, imagine what you could do with 

Speaker 2 (00:44:27):

That. Yeah. We, we like to call it energy 2.0. Yeah, yeah. You know, 

Speaker 1 (00:44:31):

This is, there's no, like, cuz there's no debt to 

Speaker 2 (00:44:32):

Pay here. Yeah. It's, you know, this is not like caffeine that, you know, that gives an instant excitement, but it, it's, it's really at the cellular level mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, making your cells mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, function better and, and just perform at optimally. 

Speaker 1 (00:44:50):

Okay. So I wanna jump ahead a little bit. Um, you know, most of my audience, you know, I'm, I'm in my late thirties now. Most of my audience, I think were late twenties, thirties or forties. Um, what could this do for somebody fifties, sixties, seventies, who is maybe, you know, double my age? Can we, is it like I'm gonna slow down the aging process or I'm just gonna maybe not feel my age as much, you know, is there a point at, uh, you know, no return kind of thing when it comes to the, you know, our biological age and what we can do to maybe slow down or just get that energy we're talking about? 

Speaker 2 (00:45:26):

Well, you know, as you're getting older in your fifties, sixties, seventies, um, I think that, that what people want to do is, is remain active mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and, and keep a high level of Yeah. Continue to, you know, to engage in sports activities mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, and, and not feel like they're limited because of their age mm-hmm. <affirmative> and 

Speaker 1 (00:45:52):

To not feel their age. 

Speaker 2 (00:45:54):

Yeah. People, I think everybody in their minds, uh, no matter what age they are, they feel like they're in their twenties or thirties. 

Speaker 1 (00:46:02):

Right. Oh, I'm still battling with disbelief of like, there's no way you're 37. There's no way, you know, it's just Right. Because I feel so damn good, <laugh>. Yeah, 

Speaker 2 (00:46:09):

Exactly. 

Speaker 1 (00:46:10):

Know, thankfully, so you're knock on wood. 

Speaker 2 (00:46:12):

Yeah. So, and but then the reality of life hits that when you, when you try to go running or playing soccer or whatever, you, you know, you experience a different 

Speaker 1 (00:46:25):

Performance Yeah. Than reality hits <laugh> 

Speaker 2 (00:46:28):

20. Right. 

Speaker 1 (00:46:29):

Yeah. 

Speaker 2 (00:46:30):

So I think that's the, that's really where, um, this whole idea of longevity is really linked to this, this idea of health span mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, that you want to keep as healthy as you can throughout your life. And then at the end you just, you know, it's better just to, yeah. 

Speaker 1 (00:46:51):

What's the, what's the phrase? Um, die di die late or Yeah. Die as young as possible kind of thing. <laugh> uh, yeah. I, I I want to live as long as possible. 

Speaker 2 (00:47:01):

Live as long as possible, then die. 

Speaker 1 (00:47:03):

Yeah. Yeah. Doing hopefully a single something I'm, I'm loving or just that's what I, I keep going back to here. Longevity for me means quality, means quality of life, being able to maintain a lot of the things and practices and rituals, you know, and experiences that I do now in my late thirties, you know, in sixties, seventies, eighties, I, I joke with my wife, I tell her I'm gonna be at least 115 years old. Not only that, yeah. I'm gonna be one 15 and wiping my own ass. <laugh>. That's 

Speaker 2 (00:47:29):

What I'm after. 

Speaker 1 (00:47:30):

You know, if, if I ha if I lose that, then, you know, maybe, maybe it's time for me to go. But I, I do believe with a lot of just basic mindset hacks, um, just basic choices we can make in our day-to-day life, even just one choice compounded daily that is in alignment with a wellness goal you have that is in a positive direction for your life. You know, you do that for a month, a year, 10 years, don't tell me that's not gonna roll over into something else. 

Speaker 2 (00:47:59):

Yeah. It's, I think it's fascinating. It, it's really the a mindset. Uh, you know, the other day I was speaking with a gentleman who was 75 years old and, uh, running a, a company, uh, and he'd been running it for, for a few decades. And, and, and he was very, very fit. And, and we were talking and, and he said, well, I still have a a 30 year plan <laugh>. And I said, my goodness, you're That's amazing. That's 

Speaker 1 (00:48:29):

What I'm 

Speaker 2 (00:48:30):

Talking about. And you want that type of what I'm mindset that's talking about. Yeah. And, you know, and, and you have different phases throughout your life mm-hmm. <affirmative>, and you want to ma be able to make these long-term plans, and you don't want to feel limited by the function of your own body. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> 

Speaker 1 (00:48:44):

Someone like yourself who is, I mean, this is literally your life, your business, and you're, you're, you're in the science and you're, you know, you know, in the trenches kinda helping people like us understand it better, but then also apply it. Um, what, what is something maybe unique in this world of longevity and mitochondrial health that you are maybe the most excited about right now? That, you know, you can shine a light on? Um, no spoiler alerts. Have you guys got any, like new breaking evidence, science coming out, but also maybe something based on what you're most excited about and based on what you're seeing in the progression of mitochondrial health, um, understand education and application, um, that you maybe are getting hopeful about in a new way. Like, oh, this is just a springboard to the next thing. 

Speaker 2 (00:49:30):

Well, it, that's, uh, it's a good point. The, you know, when I think of, when we talk about ULI a and, and mitochondria health, um, ULI A is the only, uh, nutrient postbiotics, uh, that I'm aware of that stimulates this whole process of miy and recycling mitochondria. And, uh, there's been a growing number of scientists around the world that have been working with Euro Lith a in their own labs independently on a number of different, um, health indications. And we start to see more and more publications coming out, um, showing the importance of mitochondrial function for and by improving 

Speaker 2 (00:50:16):

Mitochondrial function, how we can impact various, um, yeah. Various organs and tissues. And, uh, you know, there have been a number of, uh, third parties who in mice have, uh, shown that olien a acts on in various neurodegenerative models, for example. Really? Wow. Now I, now I don't claim that this translates to human right, but, but what's exciting is that we're seeing that, you know, it gets at least in rodent models that it gets into the brain. And that's something that's very exciting for us. We're starting to think about, you know, potential brain health applications mm-hmm. <affirmative> as well. Does it, you know, and, and translating that to see if there's, you know, how that, how that would work in the humans mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And that's something that we'll be exploring in the future. Another area that's of, um, big interest in, uh, and certainly the last few years, uh, of interest for most people is immune health. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And, and so, uh, recently one of our collaborators, uh, published in the journal Immunity, uh, showing the, the impact of olien a on immune health. And they did this in, um, a number of animal models of, um, of cancer. Uh, and they showed an improvement in colorectal cancer Wow. In, uh, mouse models. So we're very interested and, and, and they, you know, dug deeper and they looked at the impact on specific, um, yeah. Immune cells mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And so, uh, and by improving the mitochondrial function and by 

Speaker 1 (00:51:52):

Stimulating, because immune cells have mitochondria. Right, exactly. 

Speaker 2 (00:51:54):

There we go. Yeah. All, all of our cells, you know, as I said, except for the red blood cells have mitochondria. So if you can improve, um, the functioning of your immune cells mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, you can improve the functioning of your immune system, uh, as well. And so this is an area that's very interesting to us, and we have a clinical trial planned for this next year to explore this. So yeah, I'm very excited about that. Looking at just, you know, purely the effect on, um, on the, on the mitochondrial function of, uh, human immune cells after taking, uh, myop orally. 

Speaker 1 (00:52:29):

Damn. Um, two things in there for me, one to highlight, the first component we're talking about when it comes to neurodegenerative diseases, immediately hit home for me. My father passed away from als, uh, 18, almost 18 years ago now. Um, ever Ford was his mantra. Like, what I, everything I'm doing here today is because of him. Uh, and so in the back of my mind, quick little like medical history with Chase, I guess is, is, you know, I think for a lot of people too can, can relate to this. You know, when we have a, a, a, a loved one, our friend unfortunately pass away, uh, or someone gets sick or ourselves, we get sick and or we get injured, we suffer in some kind of way. Um, I, I think fear can be a great catalyst for, for change. For, I'm taking my life back, I'm taking my health back. 

Speaker 1 (00:53:19):

Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, I will never be a diabetic. I will never, you know, as much as we like to think that, you know, what is it man laughs or man plans and God laughs. Right. But we do do a lot of things to hopefully thwart those health concerns. And, and definitely this is why longevity is so important to me in the back of my mind. Um, and especially brain health, you know, all these things that I'm like, well, it's not, I know it's not hereditary, but you know, it can happen. And so a neurodegenerative disease is something that's really a fear driver for me in a lot of the health things that I do. So if I can do things that I, I feel, but also clinically app proven to add quality years to my life potentially. Yeah. And all this new science and evidence is showing that it, we might see some spillover to this. I mean, that's enough for me personally to go, I'm in. Yeah. 

Speaker 2 (00:54:12):

Yeah. I mean, it's, um, I think it's very, um, fascinating the, the potential that mm-hmm. <affirmative>, improving mitochondria function can have on, on various, uh, organ systems and, and you know, we're talking about the brain. You know, brain is kind of the final frontier in mm-hmm. <affirmative> in, in biology and medicine. And, um, you 

Speaker 1 (00:54:33):

Know, God bless Heman for making the brain cool again, 

Speaker 2 (00:54:36):

<laugh> <laugh> and Yeah. And if you can improve, uh, mitochondria function, it's been, mitochondria function has been linked to, in the brain, has been linked not only to, um, you know, neurodegenerative diseases. It's been, uh, linked to, to various, um, yeah. Stress conditions. Oh. When people are stressed, you see, uh, a decrease in, you know, mitochondrial function. And, uh, it 

Speaker 1 (00:55:02):

All matters. People, it all matters 

Speaker 2 (00:55:04):

<laugh> and, and, and having, you know, having a better mitochondria makes people more resistant to, uh, these challenges like stress. Um, so yeah. I mean, so that would be very interesting to study that. Of course, we can't say, uh, if 

Speaker 1 (00:55:20):

You wanna put me in a longitudinal study for, uh, you know, neurodegenerative diseases with mipi, I'm all in, you know, <laugh>. Seriously. Um, but you know, my second point to go back to wrap up, my first one, which you kind of just hit on as well. Yeah. Um, this spillover effect to, you know, improving systems in our body, you know, the immune system, which Sure. Uh, again, I think a lot of us, we, you know, you know, I use diabetes as an example. Yeah. Um, okay, I'm gonna target my metabolic health. I'm gonna lower carbs, lower sugar. And in doing so, we make progress towards that goal. And again, hopefully thwart that chronic illness or disease or injury. But there is a major spillover effect, and we're making one system, one area of our body better, but that then in turn makes multiple other systems and areas of our body healthy. So it's like, why wouldn't we want to just target the thing that is in every system, in everybody mitochondria. 

Speaker 2 (00:56:11):

Yeah. And, and you're spot on. I mean, I think when you think of supplementation, uh, to improve your body and your, and, you know, at, at the, the lowest level, the cellular function, I think is best to start with improving your mitochondrial function. You know, you get the, the engines of your cells revving up and, and functioning at their peak. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> you know, then you can start adding in other nutrients that can then, uh, bring them to another level as well. And, and be complimentary. 

Speaker 1 (00:56:44):

It's like I, I'm making every mitochondria, I have a fricking Ferrari <laugh>. Well, that's, it's Reven high. And it can, it can go. And then also it's like replicating. It's amazing. Yeah. 

Speaker 2 (00:56:54):

Yeah. 

Speaker 1 (00:56:54):

Um, well, as we kinda get towards the end here, and Chris, I just wanna acknowledge you and your work and, you know, everything that you all have been doing it timeline with Mar Pure. Uh, and, um, I'm gonna, I butcher mentis as, as 

Speaker 2 (00:57:06):

A 

Speaker 1 (00:57:07):

Ententes, excuse me. Say that five times fast, everybody. Um, I mean, this is what I love most about people like you, is you, you have found something that adds value to your life. You didn't stop there. You took it a step further and, you know, created education, products, services around it, in your case products and education. But one thing I really wanna let the listener know, and as we're recording this, you know, timeline, I, I started partnering with you all because I found such immense value in the product, and I have been using it for many weeks before I brought it out here to the show. Um, I is that you all waited, you, I think it was close to like a decade, years before you brought something to market because you wanted to make sure that the science was there. And I, I, I really acknowledged that so much and, and you and the team and everybody I did that you went years into the science here to make sure that you had something that was gonna help people, but more importantly, not hurt us. Yeah. And be accurate. So like, seriously, hats off 

Speaker 2 (00:58:08):

To you guys. Thank you very much. Yeah, no, I think that's, that's an important thing to stress is just the safety behind, um, myope. We've done so many studies. It's, it's gone through the whole f d A grass process and, um, yeah. And, and the number of people that have taken it now with no, you know, no adverse effects that, that have been reported and, and the very carefully controlled clinical studies that we've done shown that mm-hmm. <affirmative> has shown that safety. And, and as you said, uh, chase that, you know, we've spent quite a lot of time studying mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, the bio 

Speaker 1 (00:58:43):

Clinical studies are not cheap 

Speaker 2 (00:58:44):

Either. No. They're very expensive. Yeah. It's, you know, this has been, uh, over 10 years mm-hmm. <affirmative>, in fact, the company is, um, has just been around for now, uh, close to 15 years. Wow. And, um, yeah, we've, we've really focused on building up the science behind, uh, MIOP pure, uh, really understanding how it works at the cellular level and how it translates mm-hmm. <affirmative> to humans. And, you know, this is a process that's, um, is not quick. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> biology is studying biology and translating that biology from mm-hmm. <affirmative>, from preclinical, from mice and, and, and showing you can improve myself mm-hmm. <affirmative> to, to human health is, you know, is a lot of work. 

Speaker 1 (00:59:26):

Yeah. It's a lot of work. Um, but, 

Speaker 2 (00:59:28):

And we have a great team that 

Speaker 1 (00:59:29):

Has done that. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, and last thing I'll say on that, you know, it, it's, it's also, it, it's very meaningful to me, and I'm sure people can relate. It's like something might be of interest to us and we believe in it, but when we look to people, our peers, our friends, and they're also doing it. Even people that like, this is your job. Um, you know, I've, you know, talked to Gabrielle Lyon, max Luga, mark Hyman, um, my buddy Ben Smith trainer here in LA have all been on this mighta pire game for a little while now. And so I'm like, okay, all right, cool. Like, when, when the people that you look to, you know, for source information like this, um, and spreading the good word, so to speak, um, again, that's very meaningful to me. Uh, you know, especially somebody like Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, the most probably learned, no bullshit person I've ever met when it comes to, to health and, and science. Um, you know, she's all about it. I'm all about it too. So. Um, so one other area I definitely want to hit home on and I know is, uh, some new, new for you all, and it got me curious as well, we think mitochondria, we think about a lot of these internal health changes, right? Well, there's a way externally to kind of stimulate an internal change as well. 

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):

Yeah, for sure, Jason. Um, one of the things that we've done recently is starting to look at the effect of miop Pure when applied topically on the skin. And that led us to the idea of let's, you know, let's come up with a, with a skin cream and in a regimen that people can apply to their face that will help, uh, keep their face, um, younger and, and add longevity, uh, to the cells, uh, in your skin. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And, and so that's what we started doing about a year ago. We started studying this and, and then developing skin creams and 

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):

We have mitochondria on our face. Yeah. 

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):

We have, we have mi we add it everywhere. Right. We have mitochondria in inside of all of our, uh, cells and our, our skin cells too. And, and what we've seen is that, um, that with Miop we can address a couple of the issues that are, that we're dealing with, uh, as we get older, um, and aging. And so there's the extrinsic, um, effects of aging, which that is all the UV light, the smoke, and, uh, that we are exposed to on a daily basis. 

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):

Oh, the wind is just 

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):

The wind. I mean, you see 

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):

Smog, you know, living in a big city like, you know, LA here. Yeah. 

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):

You get, you know, you get, uh, you get constantly bombarded by UV light, and this has an impact. And, and then this accelerates the aging of our skin. And then there's the, the intrinsic aging, which is the aging, the natural aging of ourselves. We were talking about the mitochondria, uh, effects. And, and so together, um, these are both, um, uh, very important. Uh, 

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):

Yeah. You're hitting it on both spectrums really. 

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):

Yeah. And so, um, so we've been looking at the effect of, of, uh, skin creams that contain, uh, myope and how that can Im impact the look of, of the face and, uh, and the impact after, uh, being exposed to UV light. And so, and we've shown some, some very interesting effects, and it's very, um, I would say first of all, it's, it's very safe mm-hmm. When it's applied to, um, to the skin. Uh, so that's great, because that's 

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):

A plus <laugh>. 

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's, and safety is, is of course, always important. It's safe when you, you consume it orally. So that's probably the biggest torture chest for, for any type of, uh, nutrient and mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Uh, and then what we see is that we're able to impact in a, in a positive way, um, uh, and reduce inflammation, uh, on skin post, uh, post exposure to UV light. And we also see, uh, a decline in, uh, in wrinkles. Uh, so, so it's hitting on those sort of the intrinsic mm-hmm. <affirmative> and the extrinsic, uh, pathways of aging. Um, you know, it's a, it's very interesting mm-hmm. <affirmative> mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, in terms of, uh, you know, taking a a, a new, a new approach to, yeah. To skin aging and to skin health. Um, and I think we need to be thinking about how do we main, because we can maintain our, our body. We want to, we wanna live mm-hmm. <affirmative> our, our best, and then we want to look our best. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And, and I think combining both is, is a great, um, is a, is a great approach. 

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):

Oh, yeah. I wholeheartedly agree. I, I mean, I'm of the same belief system. I not only want to feel my best for as long as possible, I wanna look my best as long as possible. And, and I, I, there's also this great concept here of, um, you know, typically what, what we see on the outside of the body is a reflection in some way, what's going on internally. So why wouldn't we want to, you know, treat both, uh, and also what I mean by that really is, you know, the skin is our largest organ. Yes. And so what goes on, it goes in it. Yeah. And so, I mean, I love that you guys are kind of hitting this on both sides of the coin. 

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):

Yeah. No. So it's, it's very exciting. And that's a new product, uh, that we recently, um, added to our portfolio. And as in pre-order right now, if people are interested. But, um, but I, I think it's, you know, taking this approach, this holistic approach inside and outside to managing your health, I think it's essential. 

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):

Yeah. Yeah. So well said. Thank you. I wanna ask my final question now, and, and that's, you know, living a life ever for those two words, what does that mean to you? But I, I would love to kind of get your interpretation through the lens of how do we do something, take this information now and apply it in a tangible way to take a step forward in life, to move ever forward. Um, but really through that lens of longevity? 

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):

Well, when I think of ever forward, I'm, you know, I am thinking about longevity, but health span and, and how can you, how can you look, take a holistic, uh, view on your life as you go forward, uh, to maintain an optimal health. Hmm. You know, getting that right combination of, of fitness and exercise on a regular basis, eating the right foods, and then taking those, the right supplements. Um, and particular we've been talking about mitochondria today. I, you know, I'm a firm believer that, you know, if you improve your mitochondrial uh, function, it's gonna be super important for your longevity and, and living ever forward and, and being active as you get older. So, uh, for me it's, it's all about, um, the combination of those. Mm-hmm. And, and focusing on, on trying to improve your mitochondria function to stay at your peak throughout your life. 

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):

There's never a right or wrong answer. I appreciate everyone's interpretation. So thank you for that. Um, wholeheartedly agree. And, uh, we're gonna have all of your information and timeline and all the amazing research and products you guys have available down on the show notes and video notes for everybody. Uh, if you wanna learn more and even try it, uh, like I said, timeline, we're now partnering on the show. You can head to timeline nutrition.com/ever. Uh, you'll see your boy up there, give him my little spiel about why I love timeline, but also the amazing products and education available as well. Um, you can get a nice discount on your product as well. Um, so thank you, Chris. 

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):

Appreciate it. Thanks so much, chase. 

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):

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