"I think there is a fine balance of being your harshest critic while also being your best fan. And speed is actually your best advantage, not being a perfectionist."

Matt Choi

As someone who's danced the tightrope between the solitude of an introvert and the spotlight of content creation, Matt Choi knows these intricacies all too well. Matt has gone from the athletic adrenaline of football fields to the hustle of a personal trainer, and now, he is navigating the ever-evolving digital landscape. In this episode, Matt Choi, shares how he went from being a D1 football player to pounding the pavement across South Korea and every marathon he can find in between it all! Matt's stories are a testament to resilience and the art of living fully in the moment.

Follow Matt @mattchoi_6

Follow Chase @chase_chewning


In this episode, we discuss...

(01:00) Personal Trainer and Content Creator's Journey

(12:04) Finding Balance and Personal Fulfillment

(16:22) Chase's Personal Experience with BioPro

(29:01) Perseverance and Self-Acceptance in Challenging Goals

(31:47) Embracing Change and Overcoming Failure

(38:24) Overcoming Weaknesses and Pushing Through Challenges

(49:42) The Rise of Running and Community

(54:14) Finding Growth and Pushing Limits


Episode resources:

EFR 777: Running Across Korea, How to Be a Hybrid Athlete, and Tools to Become a Better Content Creator with Matt Choi

As someone who's danced the tightrope between the solitude of an introvert and the spotlight of content creation, Matt Choi knows these intricacies all too well. Matt has gone from the athletic adrenaline of football fields to the hustle of a personal trainer, and now, he is navigating the ever-evolving digital landscape. In this episode, Matt Choi, shares how he went from being a D1 football player to pounding the pavement across South Korea and every marathon he can find in between it all! Matt's stories are a testament to resilience and the art of living fully in the moment.

Follow Matt @mattchoi_6

Follow Chase @chase_chewning


In this episode, we discuss...

(01:00) Personal Trainer and Content Creator's Journey

(12:04) Finding Balance and Personal Fulfillment

(16:22) Chase's Personal Experience with BioPro

(29:01) Perseverance and Self-Acceptance in Challenging Goals

(31:47) Embracing Change and Overcoming Failure

(38:24) Overcoming Weaknesses and Pushing Through Challenges

(49:42) The Rise of Running and Community

(54:14) Finding Growth and Pushing Limits


Episode resources:


00:00 - Speaker 1 The following is an operation podcast production.

00:04 - Speaker 2 A lot of people that follow me. Now they're just like, oh man, that's just a runner. Like they don't know that I played coach football. They don't know that I got. Like I was a personal trainer for a couple of years before I really got into being a creator. This is our only outlet.

00:14 - Speaker 1 The phone, the screen, and so I think now, a couple of years later, so many people are just kind of stuck in that habit and that routine. You can soak it all up, but if you're not doing, if you're not applying, where is it going? What's the point? You know, you're kind of just, you're a sponge that never gets to clean anything.

00:29 - Speaker 2 Yeah, it's your duty to find your own balance and what works for you. What people don't understand about me, zach, I'm a lot more introverted than people think. Why is that, do you think?

00:37 - Speaker 1 For me personally, it's just how do you control yourself when those moments come, when those ideas come, to not undo the quiet time and the downtime that you just set aside for yourself?

00:48 - Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean I think there's what's up guys. Matt Troy here, endurance athlete and content creator, welcome, and you guys all to the ever forward radio podcast. Here we go.

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02:15 This is your number one source for inspiring content from people who are putting a purpose, to their passion and truly living a life. Everford, I am your host, chase Tuning. This is EverFord Radio. What's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's going on. Everybody, welcome back to the podcast.

02:34 I am Hype to bring you another from my Austin trip. I am here with the one and only Mr Matt Choi. This guy is fire, he is driven, he is just high energy. He is good vibes all around. He's got a lot of energy. He's got a lot of energy. He's got a lot of energy. He's got a lot of energy. He's got a lot of energy. He is good vibes all around. And if you want to check out the vibes in video, like I said, I was in person with Matt in Austin a couple months ago I'll have the video linked for you down in the show notes. As always, you can find us on YouTube or always at everfordradiocom.

03:10 Who is Matt? Well, matt, he's a content creator, entrepreneur and just fitness, wellness, optimization, human potential enthusiast. He's a former division one football player and he actually started years ago on his own entrepreneurial journey as a personal trainer, helping so many other people develop their own health and wellness strategies. But then, like a lot of us, a couple of years ago, during the pandemic, we had to shift. We felt that we wanted to shift in ourselves, our business, our career, our content, and that's exactly what he did. He started to double down, building out his personal brand around his passion and interests.

03:45 My man's crazy because he's putting down mad miles day after day after day. He's run the grindstone 100 mile ultra marathon and in fact, you're gonna hear most of this conversation stems from his recent trip back from Korea where my man ran the entire country. He didn't just go to Korea run a marathon or run a race or hang out, no, no, no, no, no. He literally, from top to bottom, 300 miles, ran the entire length of South Korea. You gotta check my man, matt, out for just daily motivation, inspiration and what is possible. He puts out incredible content. He's got his iPhone with him everywhere, his tripod everywhere. Wherever the moment strikes, he is creating content, putting things out into the world to help you run, to help maybe your hybrid athlete training program, to help the mindset. This guy lives and embodies the Everford philosophy and that is exactly why I had him on the show today. Welcome to the show, here's Matt.

04:41 - Speaker 2 For sure. That's a fact Just like any recipe.

04:43 - Speaker 1 Very true, very true. I ran into you actually this morning shout out collective yeah, we were getting a little workout in. And, dude, I was cracking up. I saw you walk in like water bottle backpack, you got your tripod, and so I want to kick things off for the creator out there listening Is this the new norm? Is this like the new daily essentials? You got, you got your go bag, you got your water, you got whatever you need for the day, and then you got your tripod, you got your camera. Is that what you reach for? Is that your just go to now?

05:12 - Speaker 2 I mean honestly, the tripod just stays in my car A lot of times I just film off iPhone just because it's convenient.

05:18 So I just have a tripod. Like when I'm going into the gym and people are asking me like are you filming something specific, I'm like no, I'm just like, I'm just documenting, like I'm just going to get a couple clips and if it ends up turning into a real or if it ends up being used as B roll or even just a story, Sort of like. My journey as a creator has always just been like I'm not ever really just trying to create content or curate a certain thing. I think there's moments of that, but generally speaking, I'm just documenting a lot of what I do, and sometimes you use the content and sometimes you don't. And that's kind of been my mindset ever since I got started. It was just like, oh, we're just going to film and I don't. There's nothing in particular. It's just like I'm going to, if anything, I'm going to look at my form and see if there's anything in particular I can work on in terms of my own wellness.

06:03 - Speaker 1 So was that kind of the start for you? Was I want to document my training which we're going to get into? I got a lot of questions around running world. Man, you guys are blowing my mind right now. Was it really? I just want to be better, I want to look at and document myself so that I can kind of be my own coach, critique a little bit For sure.

06:19 - Speaker 2 I mean, I got into this space as a personal trainer four years ago, so like that's where. Like a lot of people that follow me now they're just like, oh, Matt's just a runner. Like they don't know that I played coach football, they don't know that I got. Like I was a personal trainer for a couple of years before I really got into being a creator and back then I was just very focused on the details and I wanted to really like understand my body as a human and obviously understanding where my strengths, where my weaknesses in. The best thing about content or any type of film is that you can always look back. Like I play football, it's like I'm always thinking like, oh, like roll the tape.

06:50 Roll the tape like the cameras don't lie, Like whether you are performing or you're not, or you missed your execution of a play, or there's an opportunity for you to exploit the defender, like all those details within like film. I kind of now use the content that I get as my own film, whether it's on a pod, and I'm like dude. I wish I answered this question in this way.

07:10 - Speaker 1 And I'm always analyzed. You know what I'm saying.

07:12 - Speaker 2 So it's like I think, even when it comes to fitness and my wellness, like it comes from that mindset of like all right, like I'm always looking for room to improve All right.

07:20 - Speaker 1 So walk us through your approach to critiquing to improve versus critiquing. And how do you not beat yourself up?

07:28 - Speaker 2 This is. Yeah, I mean this is. I think a lot of people struggle with this right, whether it's in their wellness and fitness or in their own content of trying to perfect the video. I think there is a fine balance of being your harshest critic while also being your best fan, right, and I think there's a mix of that that I have, where I think people overanalyze their own subjective opinion and think that that's worthy of all the weight in the world. Is it do?

07:51 - Speaker 1 you think overanalyzation, that's a word. Is it overanalyzing or just straight into comparison?

07:59 - Speaker 2 I think, honestly, I think it's a mix right, cause, like, naturally what we do is we scroll on socials and we're like yo. This person that's in my space or this person that's not in my space is doing X, y or Z, and naturally we're like yo. Why is my video not like that? Like, why is it up to that standard? Right, and I have the same hook, the same 100%.

08:18 - Speaker 1 Like it's not as drawing it exactly.

08:20 - Speaker 2 It's like oh, I could have improved in this aspect. But ultimately it's up to the people to decide what is a good piece of content, Like I'm sure you and I have both been in it. It's up to the people to decide what is a good piece of content or what is engaging for them.

08:34 - Speaker 1 Right, I needed to hear that today. That's good.

08:37 - Speaker 2 And I think it's just like I think, as all creators is like we think that, oh, this is going to be the video that goes off.

08:42 And then when you take all the time to edit that video or produce that video, you post it and you're like kind of underwhelmed. Yeah, it creates an expectation in your mind of like oh, it should do this well, when in reality it's your opinion of that piece of content, is one person's opinion. You have to allow the audience, the people, to decide what is a viral piece of content or what's a great piece of content. And I think for me that comes in the form of moving fast and just saying like hey, like I'm not going to waste time on the specific cut or transition, or like if there's a typo or if I stutter, like I'm like all right, well, it's human, like I'm going to do that. That's actually natural. And I think the quicker people get into that mindset of like yo, speed is actually your best advantage, not being a perfectionist, and that's kind of how I've always been thinking about content, and I think Gary Vee definitely helped me reframe that mindset.

09:32 - Speaker 1 I see a lot of speeds bill over from Gary influence Sure 100%, 100%.

09:38 - Speaker 2 So I think it's you know I don't listen to as much Gary now. I mean, I have so much respect for Gary, but I think it's you know how, when Gary talks about it, it's like yo, at some point. Guys like you consume my content and once you get the gems you need to get, go move on and go start executing. Exactly, and I think for so many people, they spend so much time learning and processing and I always talk about being a lifelong learner. But once you learn a concept, it's now your duty to try to execute it. And I think there's so many people that read the book, they listen to the pod and they're just they're. They're thinking, they're contemplating, but they take no action. And it's why they find themselves in the same spot of continuing to just, oh, be a consumer of information. I consume a lot of information, but it's typically in areas where I'm like okay, now I'm trying to get into this sector, now I'm trying to learn YouTube more. It's very intentional Exactly.

10:20 And then you like act on it. Like when I started wanting to focus more on YouTube, I'm like all right, I'm going to invest more into YouTube, getting a producer, getting an editor, learning from Mr Beast like learning from people that are at the best of what they do and then implement it. And the same thing would go like for me. Like I want to like. I had a podcast three years ago and this year I wanted to relaunch one.

10:38 - Speaker 1 Come on back man, Exactly, you know so 100%.

10:41 - Speaker 2 So, I think for people, I think my best piece of advice is like don't spend time to learn, but make sure that you're actually getting into the game, because that's where you learn the best.

10:51 - Speaker 1 There's this quote that I say a lot and I heard it from another podcast and I forget the actual guy, the guest, but he said knowing without doing is the same thing as not knowing. And I think that's where a lot of people get stuck, because I think the last probably like two years I think especially during the pandemic and post pandemic we really were kind of like this is our only outlet the phone, the screen and so I think now, a couple of years later, so many people are just kind of stuck in that habit and that routine. Some of it's good, a lot of it is good. You know I'm learning, I got into skill, I'm cooking, you know I'm connected with community, but it's really you can soak it all up, but if you're not doing, if you're not applying, where is it going? What's the point? You know you're kind of just, you're a sponge that never gets to clean anything.

11:37 - Speaker 2 Yeah, when do you think?

11:41 - Speaker 1 Who wants to be a sponge?

11:42 - Speaker 2 Yeah, it's like you're not getting used, You're just stuck in the sink you know, nobody wants to scrub my bubbles, it's a waste.

11:49 - Speaker 1 It's a waste when, or how rather, do you know where you end and the camera begins? Do you kind of have that dividing line, or is it just you kind of just go with it fast to your point and just in the process, you go all right. This is content and this is my personal life. Yeah.

12:07 - Speaker 2 This is. This is a great one because, like I, recently had some friends that I haven't seen a while. They're like dude. You like work all the time. Like dude. You're like a workaholic. Like when are you going to? Just like take a vacation? And like at the end of the day, everyone's life is their own to live. You know like there's no right or wrong way to balance your own life and I think you know many successful entrepreneurs talk about. You know there's levels of obsession, but there's also levels of balance that 100.

12:30 I love that, just obsession.

12:32 - Speaker 1 Obsession. I love him.

12:34 - Speaker 2 I just love his work, and even like a Hormozia, where he talks about like it's your duty to find your own balance and what works for you. For me, to answer your direct question of like when do I turn off the camera, when do I just say, all right, this is like my time to just be me. I think I actually do it really well Now, whether people see that or not, it's just a matter of like. I have time where it's just for me and myself, and solitude where I'm just like yo, this is like. The cameras don't need to be rolling. Yeah, you know, and I think what people don't understand about me is that I'm a lot more introverted than people think and a lot of creators say that A hundred percent Like yeah, why is that?

13:08 - Speaker 1 Do you think?

13:09 - Speaker 2 Why? Because you know personally, it's just I don't I recharge when I'm in my own solitude and a lot of that comes back to just being an athlete and always having to like be on and having to show up for your team and all those things. And during the pandemic, I actually enjoyed the aspect of running because it allowed me to be in my own thoughts and allowed me to have space for myself and even as a creator like you start realizing that, like you're on a different trajectory than what most people are doing in their day to day lives. Right, and you can choose to be in the space of any form of entrepreneurship, like you're taking a different route, and to think that you're going to be able to operate how other people operate that are not entrepreneurs, it would be foolish. So I don't necessarily seek a vacation because I feel as if the things I do is not work Like yeah, yeah yeah.

13:59 My quote unquote work is work to other people, but to me it's play. Like it's as if I am a kid again, like I feel like I'm in the most flow state when I'm able to choose the things I want to do, when I want to do it, where I want to do it, with the people I want to do it. So even my trip in Korea like some people are like dude, like oh my God, like did you have time to decompress? Or actually like enjoy yourself and all that? Like I didn't I enjoyed myself during the suffering of the run, in addition to after Right.

14:27 And I think, as humans, it's about finding what balance works for yourself and there's not like a way that I can be like my way is right or my way is wrong, like for each human, like find what works for you and if you have a passion that you love to do, that doesn't feel like work. Like I would challenge someone to lean further into it, because on the other side of that is a lot of joy and a lot of bliss, because every day you think it's Monday or Saturday or whatever day you want it to be.

14:51 - Speaker 1 Like I don't do today, I woke up, I'm like yeah is it? Monday, I don't even know, because I feel like it doesn't even matter.

14:57 - Speaker 2 Like every day I wake up and it's like I have purpose. And when you have people that are moving with purpose, every day they come into a room different, they talk different, like you feel their energy and it's just different. And for me it's just not necessarily looking at what other people are doing, it's just I'm trying to find my own balance in that. But yeah, I mean to answer your question. There's plenty of moments where I just say, yo, like this is the day I'm done, and like cameras are off, like I don't need to record, I don't need to do anything else, and I actually find so much peace in it.

15:25 - Speaker 1 Yeah, All right, guys, did I, did I tell you or did I tell you Matt? He is a vibe, his energy is at an 11. I love it. But real quick, from my conversation with Matt today I got to put your attention on to something you might have heard of the beginning the little pre roll ad, if you want to get technical something that I've been introducing to my wellness routine now for the past month. I literally just finished my month routine. I'm holding the box here in front of me. You can't see it. This is audio only. I know that. But I want to tell you how amazed I have been at the results that I've been seeing and feeling with bio pro plus from bio protein technology brand new sponsor, brand new partner on the show here. And I got to give credit where credit is due. Shout out to my man, greg Anderson, over at the analyst endeavor podcast. He has been raving about them for a couple of years now. He's been working with them for years and look, greg is killing it. He looks amazing, he's firing on all cylinders. So anything he's doing I believe in. Now I have my own results for me.

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18:29 This is, as always, linked for you down in the show notes under episode resources. So what happens? Because I've been here, so the cameras are off, you're not creating, you've consciously chose, or literally in my calendar. Sometimes I'll put like literally block time, nothing, yeah, but in the nothingness I get so many ideas. I'm like, oh, I want to change this, I want to improve that, or this would be a good podcast, this would be a good insert, whatever kind of piece of content or just piece of business work here. How do you control yourself when those moments come, when those ideas come to not undo the quiet time in the downtime that you just set aside for yourself?

19:04 - Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, I think there's dude most times, because if you're on all the time, your brain naturally it's stimulated. And even in the moments of silence or in quietness, like sometimes, those are when ideas pop. I mean, I think for me it's just understanding that like that's like part of life as well, right, it's like you can't. It's not like a complete on and off switch of like All right, even if I come up with an idea, I'm just going to force myself not to write it down.

19:30 - Speaker 1 Just because I decided to do something differently does not mean that even my own consciousness or the rest of the world is going to get in alignment with what I chose to do.

19:39 - Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, I think honestly. For me it's like if I do come up with an idea in my like relaxation mode, it's just like you can write it down. You don't have to go deep on it, right you?

19:49 don't have to act on it, yeah it's just like it's obviously in your own conscious or it's like you're thinking about this and you don't have to act on it in the current state. It's like, literally, you know Jim quick talks about, like you know, your, your, your brainwaves when you're in the shower come up with many creative ideas and a lot of times when I'm in the shower I just think of these random things. I don't ever. Sometimes I'm not acting on it immediately, immediately, but it's just a thought and we just honor thoughts, again 100%.

20:14 - Speaker 1 how cool is it to have great ideas and not need to act on it, to not need to do something with it? Just like respect it, that little gift of an idea, inspiration, and just like let it marinate 100%, every go baby.

20:28 - Speaker 2 And I think honestly, really where it comes from is the level of having a level of patience, if you actually understand that, like you're in this for the long haul, that you're not just trying to get rich quick. When I do come up with these ideas, I already know that a lot of times it's going to take much longer to actually fulfill that through than the moment of me just thinking about it. So I don't put pressure on myself of like, oh my God, like dude, this would be a great business or this would be a great video. I'm like, okay, like now, now I thought about it, that's the first step of manifestation. Then from there it's like, okay, let me write it down and then let me see how I actually act on this.

21:01 But for me it's like I'm not putting pressure, like, oh my God, like I thought of that idea two days ago and I haven't done anything about it. It's like I just released that anxiety, release that pressure of like, hey, I can move when I want to move, I can act on these ideas or these concepts when I want to, because I'm playing the long game. Like I don't plan on, like selling my personal brand in a year because I want to show to people that I made it Like internally. I've made it off the fact that I'm attempting this in my own mind. You know, I just like feel all that.

21:30 - Speaker 1 I feel I feel all that good vibe, good energy, the manifestation, like all that stuff. Man like you embody it. Truly, I love it. I love it. Well, man, you brought up Korea, yeah, and I was watching this journey. For anybody that doesn't know, this man ran Korea, not like went to go do a race in Korea, not like a 5k of marathon. He literally ran Korea. Why?

21:55 - Speaker 2 When I first decided to do this, so much of it was around me, seeking my own culture and wanting to just learn more about like where my grandparents and where my parents grew up like. I'm an immigrant, so I, luckily, was born in the States. Both my parents are from Seoul. They're from South Korea and it was an opportunity for me to actually just immerse myself no different than what we talked about of how people learn or how I learned personally, like I learned by doing and by immersing myself in that environment, in a new culture. I feel like I got a master's course on what it's like to live in Korea, versus listening to a podcast or watching a YouTuber. Talk about the best spots. Talk about where to eat. Talk about what areas are popping for young people for looking at it through somebody else's lens, not experiencing it through your own 100%.

22:43 And I think for me, when I was thinking about the trip, a lot of it was just gaining a different cultural outlook of different perspective and walking away from it. It actually exceeded my expectations in terms of the conversations that we had with locals, the people that we connected with, the second family that we ended up building when I was there, and for me it was just so much more than just this physical feat. Clearly that was the main component of being there, and when you see things on foot and you see it with your own eyes, it just gives you a different perspective. And for me it was mostly about learning about how locals felt about Korea.

23:20 I think so much of me was like I wanted to go seek my culture, but I actually ended up just with a different perspective, and a lot of that is rooted in the fact that I'm just so blessed with the way I grew up, even though I didn't grow up the most Asian. Like I played football which is dominated by African American. Like I immersed myself into that community. I moved around as a kid a lot where I never really lived in areas where it was a lot of Asians, like I didn't grow up in California, where it's like, oh my God, the 80% of the students are Asian, where you feel like that's more comfortable.

23:52 - Speaker 1 If anything, I grew up in areas where it was way more diverse white people, spanish people, black people, like and it's just like a diversity, a pool of humans, and which is great and has a place, but like it's a beautiful thing, but I think it's really important I really want to highlight here for people to like recognize how amazing diversity is, but also like honoring your culture, honoring your roots, your origins. Everyone, I think, should have the right to explore that.

24:16 - Speaker 2 Oh for sure, extract and then apply 100% and I think that's my biggest takeaway was how proud I am in terms of how my mom was able to raise me, my brother, as a single mom. Damn Like, ultimately. Like there's so many great things about Korea. Equally, there's so many great things about living in the states, and I think it's the perspective that when you travel, it's just like realizing what you don't know because you don't live there.

24:40 - Speaker 1 Yeah, and you. Everyone thinks that the grass is greener, 100%.

24:43 - Speaker 2 But it's just greener where you water it, and I think for me that was the biggest eye opener. It was like leaning further into culture but then realizing, like damn, there's things about Korea too that aren't the best as great as they had. They've prospered so much since the Korean War, which was in the 1950s, and in a matter of just 50 to 60 years they've prospered. They're one of the top 10. In terms of revenue, like they're one of the top global countries. Damn so for them, in a short amount of time, to innovate that fast, to grow technology, to grow their infrastructure. It's amazing, dude.

25:15 - Speaker 1 It's so dope Shout out South Korea, shout out, if you haven't been seriously, it's worth going.

25:20 - Speaker 2 It's like it's dude, it's a soul, is equivalent to like a New York city. It's got 10 million people living in New York, has eight.

25:27 - Speaker 1 Damn I on the list. I've never been to Asia you love? Food is delicious.

25:31 - Speaker 2 You'll really do. There's a lot of, there's a lot of foreigners in.

25:35 - Speaker 1 Korea. I know, I see it's kind of like this new thing. I see, dude, I don't call it trending, but I see maybe it's just awareness theory, but I do see it popping up a lot more people in there and dude and Korean, like I think Asian culture is just kind of having a moment to like Kpop the Korean film you know back from a DMV area. Man, you know Korean barbecue, of course.

25:53 - Speaker 2 I mean, I cuisine wise it's by far in getting more immersed into American culture. You know, I want to go back to something you said.

26:02 - Speaker 1 You were talking about how you were running, you were enduring. I forget exactly what you said, but basically kind of like you were experiencing you were changing your perspective during suffering, you were running. How many miles did you run in Korea?

26:13 - Speaker 2 296 in 10 days All right.

26:17 - Speaker 1 So no doubt there are days when you're in your stride, you're in your happy place, but there are days when you're you're in the suck man. And I really connected when you said that, because it took me back to a lot of times, you know, when I was in the military on a rough March you're in the suck.

26:32 You're on mile five, mile 10, mile 20, and you've got all this weight. You know my experience you're hauling ass, running your body weight for 10s of miles as well, hundreds of miles, walking, rocking, running. The path that you have been on before hits so different when you were there, again in suffering. Walk us through that, that perspective like what did you learn? What was different for you navigating this landscape, but physically, maybe even mentally, through suffering?

27:06 - Speaker 2 Yeah, I think the the element that was different with this one is that, like you have to show up over a 10 day period, like every day like I'm sorry, was this just you?

27:18 - Speaker 1 were you just running solo or was this like a group thing?

27:22 - Speaker 2 I mean it was pretty much so long. I mean, there was days where people came and joined to like run but like I would say, six out of the 10 days I was alone.

27:30 - Speaker 1 I had my brother filming solo mission, the majority and then solo suffering.

27:35 - Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, I think this comes back to just your internal dialogue and you know what you say to yourself in moments of suffering and pain and adversity, and in and also in in success, right, and I think for me, as I was starting to deal with some pain, just from the mileage and the volume it was more of how do I turn this negative feeling, this feeling of shittiness, into something that is positive? How do I channel it? How do I yeah, it's like clearly, like I can't change what's physically going on, like in my body, but in terms of my mindset, that is something I'm in control of.

28:15 - Speaker 1 And you actually. I want to remind you some powerful mantras that I saw you share. I'm sure how you kind of endured the suffering. Yeah, One, be present to embrace the struggle, which I really resonate with military phrase embrace the suck.

28:31 - Speaker 2 Yeah.

28:32 - Speaker 1 Three. This is what I do. It's me versus me. I love the dirt, the shit no one wants to do and there is no failure. How did these mantras if you kind of maybe expand on where you put up there? You know, how do these mantras get you through the physical suffering?

28:48 - Speaker 2 Yeah, I think mantras are just a great reminder. They're short and sweet, but they're a great reminder of how far you've come and that the end result is not what people should always look at. I think that I love what I said of like this isn't a failure if we, if we, if we don't make it right. Yeah, and I think that actually is the game of life. It's the attempt, it's putting yourself in an environment to fail and it's the man of man in the arena quote by Theodore Roosevelt. Right, it's like it's so easy to be in the stands or to be following along, like, oh, like oh. I bet he's not gonna make it. Look at his form like he's hurting now. He's not gonna make it to day 10 and all those things where, at the end of the day, the opinions of sheep don't really matter.

29:32 And I think it's important to understand for yourself and anyone that's doing Anything that is challenging whether it's building a business, starting a podcast or doing a crazy endurance run the internal dialogue that you have is the only voice that matters, and I think that that was what's that was guiding me through it. It's that I just understood that, yeah, like I signed up for this, putting yourself through chosen suffering is an opportunity for you to grow and an opportunity for you to learn. And In those moments of doubt, even for me, like as positive as I am, bro, there was moments where I was just like damn, like like dude, do I have to walk? Like like I told my team like oh, like, maybe we just have to, we will have to. Like worst case scenario, we just go a little slower, maybe it takes us a day or two longer.

30:13 - Speaker 1 I want to go there, so you're human this concept creeps in of maybe I can't Finish it the way that I set out hundred percent, but you weren't gonna quit. How did you go from changing to to not allowing yourself to change, to just the concept of Changing my goal, changing my intention and then actually getting back on the horse again?

30:36 - Speaker 2 Yeah, I think I mean, dude, this is like I think this is really relatable for a lot of people. It's it goes back to like not beating yourself up too much and giving yourself some grace while also pushing yourself and Not breaking your body off. Yeah, right, I think like everything in life is about balance, even in those moments, bro, like in my mind you're right like I set out a goal to do it in 10 days and I would be okay if I was compromised, to then say, oh, if it took 13 days, like I don't care if someone's like oh, matt didn't do it in the days.

31:06 - Speaker 1 He did. You know, come do this.

31:07 - Speaker 2 Yeah, you know, so I think it's just in that moment. It's like understanding that, hey, there's always a plan B, there's always an opportunity to turn your certain, your circumstance into a positive one, and as long as the only people that fail Are the ones that quit. And in that moment or in anyone's journey of life, like if you don't quit, if you actually Continue to persevere in whatever you're going through, at some point You're gonna come and find the light. And that light could mean that, hey, I gave it my all and this is what the result is, or it could be accomplishing the thing. Whatever the result is, I think for humans, if you understand that you gave it everything you had, you can live with that.

31:46 - Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think a lot of people need to hear that changing course is not failure. So many people you set out on you want to run Korea, you want to start a business, you want to Insert your goal here, and then you kind of come up against the wall, you kind of come against. You know the shit is harder than I thought. What, if, what if, what, if. But if you just stay true to your vision and don't Abandon it entirely like change is not failure, pivot is not failure. I don't think a lot of people fully realize that.

32:17 - Speaker 2 They think if you, if you change course, then You're abandoning the course entirely, yeah, it's the reason I love endurance, marathons, ultras is that it's hard to have a perfect plan. Hmm, there's highs and lows like it's hard to.

32:36 It's hard for all the variables to be in your hand Right. Like sometimes you get dealt a two seven, like if you're playing poker. Like what do you do with the two seven, though? Is the answer? Like sometimes it rains, sometimes it's gonna be too hot, sometimes you might skip out on your nutrition or you might not have access to the fuel. Like the beautiful part about endurance is that it's actually the best similarity to life. There's highs and lows, there's ups and downs, there's moments of Like in dolphins, there's moments of highs, and there's moments of like you feeling like damn, like this is impossible, yeah, and the ability to push through that, to stay, even kill, I think, is the greatest example of life, because most of life is the same exact way, and, unless you're someone that's not taking any risk, like those are the only people that might have an even kill. Like a flat trajectory.

33:26 But, if you're literally trying to stretch yourself, you will be in moments where you don't think it's possible and to push through. That is actually where you're gonna Get the result. And I think the marathons and in endurance is the same way. It's like I'm just I'm as, just as human as anyone else, like if you don't think that there was moments where I thought like damn, like is my foot broken?

33:48 - Speaker 1 and Can I literally? Can I, can I?

33:50 - Speaker 2 can I continue running? Like do I have to walk the rest of this? Like what is that gonna look like, not just for myself but my support team? Like now I'm having other people that are bought into the same vision that I sold them on that shoot. Now we're gonna be out here longer. We're gonna have longer days. We're gonna be out here for more day. Like there's so many of that. There's so many of those variables where you're like fuck, like Is it doable.

34:12 - Speaker 1 You know, that's just a really good point too, because I think as people, as people embark upon new endeavors, you might find yourself not in a solo experience. You're gonna be taking on team members, you might have support team, and then I feel like it's different when you hit those walls, when you begin to question yourself and you begin to wonder how can I finish the same way that I started? What do I need to do differently? You now got to be mindful of everybody else. How do you navigate that? How do you navigate the fear of failure? How do you navigate changing course and not letting other people down?

34:44 - Speaker 2 I Think I said it in the sense of the, the attempt, okay, like, yeah to me, like putting yourself in an environment to fail is actually powerful. Like going into Korea, I had never done anything like this. The furthest I ever ran was 100 miles in one. Like in one. Go right to then do three times At. You're really asking yourself to push a lot. Like you're asking yourself to do things you've never done before. And for me, getting into situations of the unknown where you don't have all the answers, where you don't know what you're gonna feel like or how you're gonna respond, I think is an ingredient of success. It's being comfortable of the judgment that you're gonna get if you don't accomplish it. And I think that when you're comfortable with your own skin and you're Very self-aware of who you are, the opinions that you might have of other, the opinions that other people might have of you if you don't accomplish it, don't really matter but you still.

35:43 - Speaker 1 But you have so the opinions of others, like outside people chiming in peanut gallery, all that. Do you view that differently than like actually having direct support? Team of like hey.

35:53 - Speaker 2 Like my brother or you know. You know what is he gonna think. I'm gonna let him down.

35:56 - Speaker 1 You know, what are we gonna do differently?

35:57 - Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean honestly, I think it. It's Different but yet similar. Even the people that were supporting me like it, just being transparent with them, of like yo this is kind of where I'm at, you know, but like, ultimately it was not a mode of like I in my mind If I had, for whatever reason, had to stop at day eight, but I knew that I gave everything that I had to my team, to myself and to the mission of accomplishing this. They would know that, they would know it to. I would not feel like I let them down because I'm like yo.

36:25 They saw the grit and the resilience that I was going through and the, the mantras and the mindset that I had, even attacking the pain and Attacking the miles where I don't think I wouldn't have felt like, oh, I failed y'all. It really would have just been like guys, you like this is everything I have. Yeah, and if I had to walk it, it would like. In my mind it's a still a success, right, because I think we accomplished the mission, but I don't think it would have been of like yo, I failed you guys. If anything, I would have just felt bad, more of like yo. Clearly, now, like your guys is time, like it was just like it's a sacrifice.

36:58 - Speaker 1 But they signed up a journey, hundred for the journey they signed up for the journey as well.

37:01 - Speaker 2 Right, because there was no guarantee that it's gonna be a walk in the park. Right, and I think, at the end of day for whether you're the leader of the ship or you're the one, that's mainly like having the the eyes on you everyone's bought into the mission, right, and I Think when you're in that moment of really stretching yourself, people can also understand that. Hey, like, failure is part of life. If I didn't make it, it would have been a good learning opportunity and I, honestly, I would have been like guys, let's run that shit back next year, you know. So that's how I would, that's how my mind goes, and I don't think it would be like Yo, I let y'all down if anything, it's like yo, we did everything we could, we maximize every opportunity and this is the result that we live with.

37:43 - Speaker 1 I was catching up on some other pieces of content and interviews of yours and To kind of shift gears a little bit. You talked about how you you quite literally cheated your way through life, cheated your way through school. Now, kind of are like making up for that? You kind of I think, exactly said you're seeking out to be a student and making sure that you are quote the dumbest person in the room. Are you making up for the cheats? Are you kind of just like changing how you view life entirely and becoming a student of life every damn day?

38:14 - Speaker 2 I think this is a mixture. I mean one thousand percent that when I was in school I Never just I never really applied myself. So I think I am playing on ketchup because I think there were certain areas of my life that, looking back on it, I wish that I consumed things differently when I was at that age.

38:33 I'm not that upset that I didn't pay attention in chemistry and Cal, like calculus and all those things, but in terms of anybody right, but I think in terms of having a curiosity with when it comes to entrepreneurship and Self-help or finance or these areas where they were weaknesses of mine, because I spent so much time in football, I 1000% agree that there's levels of me like, oh like, now that I have this mindset and that I'm more mature and I'm at an age now where I'm way more in control of, like, what I want to do. I'm 1000% playing ketchup, yeah, um, and I think it's important for anyone to like. If there's areas of weakness in your own life, it's finding time to invest into it. So many people double down and triple down on their strengths and that's easy, that's comfort. Yeah, for me it's always like, alright, like I understand the things I'm good at.

39:23 I think I you should continue to sharpen your strengths, but doubling down and tripling down on your weaknesses Allow you to expand your horizons in terms of who you are as a human. And that's kind of the the boat I'm in now because for a long time, bro, I was just solely invested into one thing and it was being a football player. So I think now I Enjoy being the dumbest person in the room, I enjoy not Having all the answers but surrounding myself with high-level people because ultimately, for a long time, like it was just like shooting the shit, locker room talk and you know you're in the military, like it's like that you start realizing like the conversations are just different.

40:00 - Speaker 1 Yeah, it's totally different and you just you. This assumption is made that this is the norm and this is what it, what it is and what it is going to be. But then you kind of step outside of it one day and you're like shit, I don't even know if that's what I like, I don't even know if that's me. Was I just assimilating? You know, was I just acclimating to something that really doesn't serve me? What does serve me? What am I curious about? Let me just go figure, that should help. Yeah, what is an area of weakness right now you're working on to become a strength?

40:26 - Speaker 2 Oh, there's, that's not running not running course, of course, of course, of course, you know, I think even myself as a creator dude, like people give me so many flowers. Like dude, like it like seems like it's so easy for you to make content. All this, like, like YouTube is a space that I feel as if is a weakness for me still, and the ability to To story, tell long form, the ability to keep an audience engaged throughout a long form video most yourself. No, it's short format, yeah, most of it has been.

40:55 And, like the past year and a half, I've invested a lot more time, energy and assets into building my YouTube channel and I still think it's an area that I can improve and that also, specifically, what are you trying to improve on YouTube? I think it's just storytelling in a long form capacity, and I think what mr Beast does best is that he addresses exactly what the video is gonna be within the first five seconds, and then his ability to keep a middle school level mind I attached to the video throughout the whole concept. It's something that I'm still working on in terms of how I portray it in video, in addition to how I want it post, produced by my team, and I think that, as a creator, you should always be sharpening your own tools, like I'm always willing to stretch myself in other areas because, yeah, like I don't think I'm the best creator in the world. I think I do great stuff but at the same time, like there's You're doing all right, man.

41:47 - Speaker 1 You're doing all right, you're doing some great shit.

41:49 - Speaker 2 I appreciate it, but I think there's. So I always look at my content as like I'm analyzing it all the time, like why did someone consume this piece versus this? Like why did the Chicago marathon Adidas video do way better than my other marathon videos? And there's so many elements of content that you can digest, no different than the film that we talked about. And for me, I would say, youtube's an area where I'm heavily focused on for next year again and, I think, for any creator, finding the chinks in your armor, it's good, it's really good.

42:20 - Speaker 1 It's the most important thing.

42:21 - Speaker 2 100%, because if not like, you, just your content gets stale, and I know that there's certain things I can do for short form that will have excessive performance in terms of the vanity metrics, but sometimes, knowing that it becomes your own crutch because you just produce the same stuff over and over, where, like, I'm willing to challenge myself outside the box and be like all right, like let me do, let me do a what I eat video, or let me do like a skincare video, cause, like there's elements of who I am that I have not always shown, right, so which was great by the way, I saw the one you did that.

42:52 One was great, it was great, it was great.

42:54 - Speaker 1 Guys, take care of yourself.

42:55 - Speaker 2 Take care of your skin.

42:56 - Speaker 1 All right, I want to go back to something in running that I really want to kind of just dive into your mind and kind of going back to what we were talking about earlier, about when you're in the suck, really, what goes through your mind in mile one compared to mile 10, compared to mile 20 to 100? Like, as the suck gets worse and as the miles stack up, what changes in your mind? Is it a different mantra? Is it different self-talked? Is it just a natural progression? That kind of comes naturally. Like, how does the mind evolve with the body work? Yeah, it's.

43:30 - Speaker 2 I think the mantras are a big key Like I'm not in a pain cave at mile one. So for me to be like, like I love the dirt, it's like it doesn't like. The context is not, it doesn't stick.

43:39 Yeah, it doesn't match how you're feeling. But I think the first thing is you assess your own body and how you're feeling and, as I've gotten very used to marathons this year, like I know that there's a point within the 26.2 miles that like, yeah, like it happens differently every race. Sometimes it hits you at 18 and you're like damn, like I feel a little twinge in my calf, I feel a little twinge in my hand. Me like I can clearly feel like my heart rate is higher than at a different point at a different race. Right, and it comes back to what I said earlier about like all the different variables whether the course, is it, there's their elevation that you're facing and every marathon brings different challenges. So even my own mantras to myself, it just changes based on how I'm feeling. I think one that I can really pull back to is when I was in Leadville. I helped a friend this year in Leadville and I ran the last.

44:25 - Speaker 1 Nate Boyer, dan Churchill did that at his home. Yeah, dan did it.

44:28 - Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly, he went through some stuff on that, bro, dan, and Dan's a beast of an athlete, like dude Leadville's no joke, separate story of like Leadville is like, it's a proper test of your mental fortitude and your physical capabilities. Crucible, crucible, absolutely. And it was for me, going through Leadville first time at 10,000 feet of elevation, and I was a pacer, so I helped my friend Nate Boyer for the last 38 miles. We were coming up on mile 26 for me, which is probably 80 something for him, and we were reaching a summit of a mountain like 12,500 feet. And, dude, like, this was the first time where I was submitting elevation and you're losing oxygen every step that you go up. And internally I literally, bro, I had to close my eyes and just take it one step at a time and just like, literally not try not to pass out as the pacer.

45:19 - Speaker 1 I want the audience to really take home that point right there, because it's such a unique concept of as you're choosing, consciously choosing to put one foot forward and move forward, and you're technically getting closer to accomplishing your goal. Every step closer to finishing, that becomes even more and more difficult.

45:35 - Speaker 2 And in this example, you're actually losing more oxygen with every step that you're moving forward to your finish line. The elements are working against you here, literally, and in that moment it was just like dude. I literally have had internal doubt of like dude. I don't even know if I can help finish him for the last 10 miles. You're not even there to run the race yourself.

45:53 - Speaker 1 You're there in support.

45:54 - Speaker 2 It literally as a pacer.

45:55 - Speaker 1 So you've got like a double-edged sword. Now, like I don't want to fail this guy, I don't want to fail myself.

45:59 - Speaker 2 Dude, and you got to think about that. Think about the chosen suffering that this guy went through already 80 miles and I'm over here suffering internally and as a pacer like dude, I've not ran the whole race and for me to start to express my pain and suffering to a man that's just ran 80 miles like lasting. Someone in that situation wants to hear his negative feedback or, like I, should not be what he's worrying about, even though internally I know all of us are struggling, like it wasn't easy on him either. But I think the biggest moment of reflection was even in that moment of doubt. The moment that you start to descend the mountain. There's like you're getting more oxygen and naturally you start to feel better the scent has to come 100%.

46:42 - Speaker 1 You forget about that, 100%.

46:43 - Speaker 2 You forget about that the scent has to come, and I think it's to what I even said when I was in Korea. It's just being present. Sometimes your moment of doubt it'll subside at some point and as long as you don't quit, as long as you keep moving forward, even though you're at that point of like you're teetering on the breaking point, you start to realize that we're capable of so much more. Oh, my God, yeah. And I think in that moment at Leadville, even though I wasn't running that race as under my own name, I realized that there was something on that mountain that I wanna seek again, because not many marathons this year did. I feel like holy shit, this is like testing my physical and mental grit.

47:23 - Speaker 1 Here's the edge. No, no, no, no. Here's the edge. No, no, no. Here's my edge.

47:26 - Speaker 2 No, fuck that here's my edge and I think for humans it's like you know, it doesn't. What I don't want my message to be, as I continue to grow and as I continue to do physical things, is that you have to run these races to find your limit. You can find your limit in way other aspects outside of just running in endurance. That physical aspect is just a way to really get the result fast.

47:48 I always preach patience and delay gratification, but there is something about during a course of a marathon or an ultra where you're literally putting your body through a suffering and within a couple hours or 10 hours you will find what you're made of Hoof shit. And there's something powerful about that, because it isn't like doing Pilates for five years or doing yoga for eight years and like how do you test yourself in yoga? Is it by holding a position for X amount of time? There's something about running that it gives you a result. And for other people, if you don't like to run, well then find something in your life that can challenge you in that aspect where you can see if what you set your mind, what you set your mind and body to, can you actually do it.

48:29 - Speaker 1 Where the mind goes, the body will follow. Period. It's kind of a mantra. I live by Period, All right, so let's talk about running a little bit more, but kind of in the community aspect. Man, I love that. Personally, I feel like running is becoming this new. It's spreading the nation. It's this craze that is kind of taking the place of where traditional fitness had its place, especially in social media, the last several years, like eight, 10 years. Why do you think running is becoming the new thing that everybody is flocking to Like? I know people that are ditching the gyms and just getting some miles under their feet. Yeah, why?

49:04 - Speaker 2 This is a great question and there's so many reasons, I think, but the first thing is the amount of friction that sometimes gyms and facilities and different modes of fitness require for people to get into. It's just harder Like barriers to entry.

49:21 Barriers of entry like cost knowledge, not knowing what to do when they enter the four walls of a gym. Safety, safety when you run. Most people don't have to get taught how to run. You lace your shoes up and, whether you have good form or not, you can start like you can begin your journey, and that is a. The barriers of entry to running are very minimal. The second layer which I think really gravitates people is the social component of getting to meet new people.

49:48 - Speaker 1 Yeah, that's kind of another note I had down of I see running becoming this new thing in physical activity exercise world, but also it's like that in the community you have to just like absorb each other. I can't tell where one ends and the other begins. It's powerful.

50:03 - Speaker 2 At the end of the day, as we get older, it gets harder to build community. Running allows people an opportunity to connect around wellness, around community. It's not necessarily like drinking is not the focus where most people. They have their networking or happy hours as in a moment to get to know people. Where you get to know someone on a run, you have a higher connection. Together you get to know them.

50:26 - Speaker 1 Yeah, and you go. I mean, there's something to be said for going getting to know somebody and getting to know somebody through a common difficulty, Shared suffering. It's a totally different bond, man.

50:37 - Speaker 2 And people call it trauma, bonding, shared suffering, whatever you wanna frame it, as I think that there's something around doing that together and then breaking bread together afterwards. I know many clubs that go to a. They'll go get a beer after running, right. It's like you accomplish this physical feat and then let's go break like, let's go chill now, right, and I think running is having a moment right now in the world and there's a mix of. During the pandemic, it was something that allowed people, it was something people could actually do. That's right, true. Now you have all these clubs and organizations, so many gyms and everything.

51:05 shut down, Dude for sure, and I think it's, it's polarizing.

51:10 - Speaker 1 It's like to speak easy, like literally. I would go to the back door and like hey, code word, hey, I know so-and-so, like you cop. Literally was asked are you cop?

51:19 - Speaker 2 Yeah. So I think, I think, in my opinion, that's why Running has now kind of it's it's. It's getting to a pinnacle where dude so many young people are getting involved. Now they're running marathons. Where you look back five, ten years ago, dude marathons were such looked at as an older dad's activity.

51:36 - Speaker 1 It's so true, I didn't think about that. Right, it's like it was done by older people. It's like what runners did kind of like at the end of their career. Like you would run and train for years and years and years yeah to just do that like and.

51:46 - Speaker 2 And then you have the gamut of the all the running creators and all the people that are making social content, and they're sharing their journey of how they got into it and Shout out Zach again 100% Miranda and guys that aren't runners, right, right, they're literally taking themselves from their Industry, their niche, and they're getting into this activity that it's challenging themselves and it's then allowing them to build community outside of just what they're known for. Yeah and dude, anytime you have a sport that is able to captivate younger audiences, it's always gonna be a positive thing, and brands are seeing it. The money that's getting into running is significantly higher than CrossFit, than Olympic weightlifting, then a lot of these activities that are weekend hobbies right.

52:28 - Speaker 1 So now I see pop-ups all the time like Nike Run Club, all the insert.

52:33 - Speaker 2 Any big brand here, run Club is just Dominating and if you see ones that are not doing it, they're struggling to find their space within the running community. And there's so many new run clubs out now, dude, there's, dude, it's, it's in Austin. I can't tell you that how many run clubs like it's a? I think Did Danny do one or I see Danny has a 4 am Run for a run club.

52:55 - Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, conrad, I see he kind of does a 5 am Run Club back in LA. It's, he hasn't got me, he hasn't got me yet. We got it. We got to get you in there, dude, I'm, you know.

53:05 - Speaker 2 So Anyone in the military can attest that you run a lot of course a lot all that you do time to two mile, right, two mile, yeah, yeah, yeah, what's your?

53:14 - Speaker 1 best two mile.

53:15 - Speaker 2 I have never tested that really alright.

53:18 - Speaker 1 So my best was 1232 amazing, that's all 32. Yeah, pretty solid and, oddly enough, it came off of the tail end of an injury. Okay, I Was like a hamstring or like I had a stress fracture, something in my foot. I was basically off. I didn't do shit for like two, three weeks. Came back, I got scheduled for a PT test. I thought I was gonna bomb it. My best runtime ever. That's amazing.

53:39 Talk about downtime, man supporting, being able to bounce back even better, which is really important to. Yeah, it truly is. Yeah, I forget what I was going to that, but you know, running, I think it's becoming this new thing and you said something that I think got me thinking differently about it and I was just looking at running as it's just like the new hot thing. It's like the new hot trend and fitness and stuff. But I think, especially for a lot of high performers, high achievers, the bio hacking, you know people, they're just very curious about the human potential. And what can I do? What can I maintain? What can I do differently?

54:11 You, you said something that was like this is different. This is, you know, getting people out of the CrossFit, out of the gym. This is something. Getting people out of the known territory and, like you know what, I haven't run in forever. I know I'm not good at running, but I've been doing all these other things to challenge myself Tweaking this routine, manipulating that variable bio, hacking this, whatever. This is something kind of left. This is like uncharted territory, that you know what. If I'm really all about pushing my limits and finding my edges, man, this is wide open territory. Yeah, and I mean Dude.

54:44 - Speaker 2 The barrier to do that with running is minimal. Just get shoes go, like put on your shoes go. And I think the beautiful thing is, like you know, sometimes, like even for me, like it as much relatable content as I make, the more I do crazier challenges, the less relatable it is.

55:02 Right, so I think it's important for people to understand like yo, don't compare your time and your journey with anyone else on social, with anyone else that you're seeing, because ultimately, like what's fast for me is Impossible for someone else, but it's slow as hell to compare to like a chick hip chogi, and the same thing could be said with anyone. So if you're starting your journey, like, don't look at what someone that's burning a marathon is doing, like yo, start with the 5k Start with one mile and begin your journey there, and the more a try, yeah, and the more you do, you realize like, oh, like you can improve at this.

55:36 And it is uncomfortable to start, but in most things in life like that's actually where the most growth happens Is like when you're teetering on that edge of damn can I do this, I don't know, and like it's all that mental doubt happens.

55:47 And it actually, bro has has so much helped me in business and content and it's instilled a level of patience and discipline yeah, that I also had from football. But when it's around a hobby that you don't necessarily love, yeah, it is. It just shows you like you can change and adapt and I think as humans, that's the most liberating feeling is to know that you're in control of your life and that you have the power to change. And if you can actually contextualize and understand what that feels like you are in control, you don't point the finger anymore, you don't live like a victim, like you can adapt, like stop living in the past and Live in the present and continue to move forward. And I think that's what running dude it's truly taught me, that of presence and also manifestation of goals and dreams and things that sort.

56:31 - Speaker 1 Well, I feel like you kind of just hit the nail on the head for my last question. This is what I ask all my guests to bring it back home to the theme of the show. So over forward radio is all about having great conversations with people that embody, in my opinion, the mantra that I live, that my father lived, that my family lives and it's you you figure out how to move forward and you live a life ever forward. What does that mean to you, those two words ever forward? How do you live a life ever forward?

56:58 - Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean I love that, I mean I obviously what I said. I think it kind of piggybacks on it, but I think even more so To me it's just not being stagnant and, regardless of what moving forward means to someone else, I think ultimately it's just not quitting on yourself. And I think when people get stagnant or they get comfortable, a lot of times they've quit on themselves internally at some point. Yeah right, like, whether it's on their relationships, whether it's on their own wellness or their fitness or their business. Like Internally, they said like, oh, it's not for me anymore, I can't live that life, I can't be that person, I can't be a marathoner, I can't start a business. And internally they've allowed themselves to quit on themselves.

57:39 And I think being ever forward is just finding a way to continue to Pivot and to adapt your circumstances. So much of who I was. A couple years ago you wouldn't even recognize me. Yeah, you know. And I think for people, if they understand that, if you continue to press forward and you continue to be a student like you can do anything in this world that you want, it might take some people longer, like, if you want to marathon.

58:04 - Speaker 1 That's okay. It's okay. It might take you five years.

58:06 - Speaker 2 Like you know, but be okay with that that. You're progressing to this goal, but you're progressing to whatever you want to do in this world, and I think it's actually the most relatable thing in this world is to just Move forward once at a time and not quit on yourself.

58:21 - Speaker 1 You know, I think that's such a powerful takeaway. A lot of times, people, there's never a right or wrong answer. I appreciate everyone's interpretation when you say I want to move forward, I want to go forward, ever forward. It's just like how? Like how do I go, how do I do? But you can kind of reword, rethink that you just need to go if I just don't quit, if I just don't stop. That, I think, allows you to kind of really give yourself grace to your point earlier. But kind of go back to the point of Acknowledging that I am doing, I am moving. It's not about how much more do I need to do, how much more do I need to be, but Honor what I am doing, because this has gotten me thus far. And if I just don't quit, like in a week, in a month and ten years, I'm gonna look back and it's gonna be the same thing I'm doing right now. Period, not doing the same thing, but you know, I'm gonna realize how much far further I've done.

59:10 - Speaker 2 Dude, I pinch myself at times, yeah, when I think about and I reflect on just like the journey that I've been on and Like people that I used to look up to, that I get to sit at the table with or whatever it might be right, like whatever that sliding scale of your, like manifestations that end up coming into reality. I think for people it's like, if you actually contextualize it internally, of like we live in a day and age of technology, yeah, and access, and if you want to do something, you want to learn something, you want to get better at anything, like it's actually there's no excuses now, besides the ones that you're creating in your own mind and I think to your point of the ever forward. It's just like yo, we live in a day and age where there's no excuses truly man.

59:53 - Speaker 1 The only thing keeping you from access to what you want is action or inaction. That's it. There's literally no excuse. With a phone, a camera, a microphone, with just getting out and, you know, finding a run club, like literally just taking action, plugging in to the people, the environments, the things, the mindsets that are in alignment with what you want and the access that you think that you need or want, like that's literally the only difference between Having or not having is are you taking action or not. Yeah, you learn by doing, absolutely not by consuming. We'll do, matt. This has been great, like seriously, your height man, what you're doing is incredible. Your energy is unreal. You're doing you. But also I love the community that you are plugging into. I love the community that you're fostering and building. You're a leader man, your leader, true leader.

01:00:39 - Speaker 2 I appreciate it Probably. It's been fun to share this space and chat about the journey, and it's been fun Cuz like this, like the first one I've ever tried about like Korea a lot and like Okay, cuz I mean I've done some. Pr stuff post I'm sure, like we, strava and some other stuff but like it's a gnarly event. Yeah, no, it's dude, this is. I appreciate you having me.

01:00:57 - Speaker 1 My pleasure, man, but seriously, joys all mine. Where can the audience go to connect with you more?

01:01:01 - Speaker 2 learn, yeah, yeah, I mean you guys can follow me on on Instagram and on tiktok Matt Troy underscore six and then on YouTube if you want to see some more Long form, which we're consistently improved on YouTube.

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